need help with dextrose

[ghost face]

Just started using dextrose for pwo and would like to know

How much should I take?

Should I take it with protein shake or can I take it with soft drink?

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after pwo meal what should your next meal be complex or simple carbs

[BIGGUY86]

umm i guess that depends on your goals...

i dont usually like to have too many carbs at one time

so the max i have even when bulking is 50grams...

but i know others have more... up to 100grams

or a ratio of 1:2 with protein to carbs...

[gethugeagain]

Well there's really no need to take it with a soft drink, its kinda the same type of carb most soft drinks would have anyway. The amount taking post-workout could vary depending on goals at the time and some of your stats. A normal post-workout amount would be somewhere around 75g. The problem with mixing creatine, protein, and such with dextrose is that, dextrose causes insulin levels to peak much quicker then the creatine/protein is even pass the stomach. This basically means that by the time the creatine/protein is ready for use your insulin levels have dropped a good amount and your no longer in that ideal state for post-workout nutrition. So you could take everything sometime after your dextrose (not sure on exact time but I will look it up), or just change to waxy maize and your problem is solved. There are other problems that make dextrose no longer the top pick, like stomach discomfort some feel, not good when leaning out, etc, and this is because of the same reason mentioned above.

So long story short, with dextrose I would take it immediately post-workout then follow it sometime after with a creatine/protein mix. If you go with waxy maize, I would mix say 60-70g with creatine, then wash some amino's down with it, followed by some whey about 20-30 minutes later. That's what I do, with one other addition and it works great.

Just my two cents, hope it helps in some way!

[garyt1975]

Originally Posted by gethugeagain

The problem with mixing creatine, protein, and such with dextrose is that, dextrose causes insulin levels to peak much quicker then the creatine/protein is even pass the stomach. This basically means that by the time the creatine/protein is ready for use your insulin levels have dropped a good amount and your no longer in that ideal state for post-workout nutrition. So you could take everything sometime after your dextrose (not sure on exact time but I will look it up), or just change to waxy maize and your problem is solved.

Can maltodextrin be susbstituted for waxy maize?

[gethugeagain]

No, dextrose & maltodextrin are very similar to each other. Both are very high glycemic sugars, they both have the same high osmolality rate and that means you will have the same problems with either one.

If you can get it, go with the waxy maize. As I mentioned before you can by creatine/pwo drinks that are made with waxy maize, this may be a better option then trying to buy everything separate and make you own. I myself use a product called Volu-gro by Nutrex Research, it has 60g waxy maize, 10g creatine, and a few other things per serving. I also add a scoop of Recovery by PowerLab Nutrition and wash down some amino's while drinking it. That is a post-workout drink that would be hard to beat, everything you need to recover and grow, FAST!

[garyt1975]

Originally Posted by gethugeagain

No, dextrose & maltodextrin are very similar to each other. Both are very high glycemic sugars, they both have the same high osmolality rate and that means you will have the same problems with either one.

If you can get it, go with the waxy maize. As I mentioned before you can by creatine/pwo drinks that are made with waxy maize, this may be a better option then trying to buy everything separate and make you own. I myself use a product called Volu-gro by Nutrex Research, it has 60g waxy maize, 10g creatine, and a few other things per serving. I also add a scoop of Recovery by PowerLab Nutrition and wash down some amino's while drinking it. That is a post-workout drink that would be hard to beat, everything you need to recover and grow, FAST!

Thanks, don't mean to hijack the thread but since it's along the same lines -

Is the best thing from a scientific perspective to sip the waxy maize and BCAAs during the workout, then have a whey shake with no carbs 20 minutes after you are done with the Maize/BCAA's, then a solid meal an hour later?

I have read that blood amino acid concentrations can peak 30-45 minutes after ingestion of whey, so would it be smart to have the whey, and then some carbs 30 minutes later to spike insulin right as the aminos are circulating?

[gethugeagain]

I don't think it would hurt doing it that way, as long as your using the right carbs and such during your workout, I think it becomes more of a personal opinion and what works for you. The thing with the waxy maize is that it gets to the blood so quickly that you don't really have to wait to consume other nutrients, as you would with dex/malt.

I myself consume my supplements pre/post workout rather the during for a few reasons;
-my pre workout nutrition will last until post-workout nutrition
-the more you consume while working out the more blood is need to digest those nutrients, blood taken away from the muscles.
-I tend to get an upset stomach/nauseous if I consume my supplements during workout.

In my opinion the most important thing during workout is to keep muscles hydrated, so personally I think drinking water/gatorade is best during workout and then flood your muscles with all that "post-workout" nutrition as soon as your last set is done!

I hope I understood/answered you question correctly and hope this helps!

[-JB-]

Been hearing a lot of good things about waxie maize. Probably give it a go once I'm out of malto. & dextrose. When I first started using the malto. & dextrose with my PWO I was recommended to sip the shake slow and spend 45-60min drinking it. (Maybe to give the malto/dext time to work)

I have a lot of malto/dext sitting around and wouldn't mind using it up before I switch to the waxie maize.

Anyone got any ideas on if it would be beneficial to drink the malto/dext mix pre-workout then my whey / creatin pwo?

[RIPT]

I take flavourless mixed with whey 50g each PWO along with 10g glutamine and 5 creatine.

[The OC]

I use 30 grams of waxie maize with my pwo drink anything more than 50 grams is to much.

[feofletch]

I take like 25 to 50grams of it ALONE without protein. I let sit in me and absorb for a few minutes THEN I go ahead and start drinking 50 or so grams of protein. If I start taking in more than 50g of dextrose, sometimes 50 is too much for me, I start blowing upi like a balloon, I get sick to my stomach, and can't eat soild ffood when I need too. I'm done scewing around with that insulin crap... anymore what I think is more important is that the glycogen gets in the muscle cells so that the protein can go in there and do its work... or at least this is what I have read... dextrose first, protein second... not together

[RIPT]

In my mind together makes more sense because then as soon as the carbs "open the door" and restore the glycogen the protein can get right in there and do it's work.........

[Alchemy]

immediately after training consume the following :
20 grams BCAA
60 grams glucose or dextrose or waxy maize or vitargo

wait 30 minutes and then consume :

30 grams WPI
30 grams calcium casein

wait 45 minutes and then consume :

200 grams chicken
1 cup jasmine rice
1serving green vegetables

[ghost face]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

immediately after training consume the following :
20 grams BCAA
60 grams glucose or dextrose or waxy maize or vitargo

wait 30 minutes and then consume :

30 grams WPI
30 grams calcium casein

wait 45 minutes and then consume :

200 grams chicken
1 cup jasmine rice
1serving green vegetables

great thanx

[RIPT]

We need to do one big thread on P.W.O. nutrition and give people the info. once and for all. Every few days one of these type of threads pops up...........

[feofletch]

Originally Posted by RIPT

We nood to do one big thread on P.W.O. nutrition and give people the info. once and for all. Every few days one of these type of threads pops up...........

yep, make it a sticky

[bm11]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

immediately after training consume the following :
20 grams BCAA
60 grams glucose or dextrose or waxy maize or vitargo

wait 30 minutes and then consume :

30 grams WPI
30 grams calcium casein

wait 45 minutes and then consume :

200 grams chicken
1 cup jasmine rice
1serving green vegetables

I would assume that we would adjust the carbs in the PWO shake based on the amount of pwo insulin used?