dnp? clen? t3? eca?lil help please

shauny2times · 09-28-2008, 02:01 AM

just curious about which one I should take...I have done ephedra back in the day with no problems im gonaa do a bulk cycle to mass up then I want to cut way waaaaay down.....im 5 11 218 currently and probably 17-20%bf im gonna bulk clean and then cut once I get that much bigger but cut with what...dnp sounds scary...does anyone have any experience with this and can tell me dose and sides and how good it worked...im interested in the clen t3 combo I see a lot of places selling it mixed already?? I think id rather buy em separate... I know the clen doses but the t3 I hear between 25 and 50 mcg per day but is there any bad sides to this stuff or once your off? the eca stack is this worth while compared to the others? and is this best used on the 2weeks inbetween clen? sorry about the long post im just curious about what's in my best interests I wanna get close to the single digits at least... so any input on these would be vey much appreciated ivd read up on em but personel expereince is always better to hear about.....thanks guys n gals

Sadie · 09-28-2008, 04:51 AM

i do the clen and t3 together for 2 weeks upping the clen dose daily and staying at 50 mcg of t3 then on the 2 off weeks of clen i do eca and the t3. theoretically t3 shuts down your thyroid but i have not personally experienced that and i have run t3 as long as 16 weeks at 75mcg ED. DNP is (in my opinion) great for right at the end of a cut.. when you are close to done and just want to polish everything off.. i ran this protocol with great success.. i did the dnp 200 400 600 for 14 days total.. the last day i went to 700 and it was just no good lol im very sensitive to dnp and i seriously thought i was going to die on 700 thankfully it was the last day lol

shauny2times · 09-28-2008, 12:00 PM

what kind of added results did the dnp give compared to the clen t3? thyroid shutdown? what do u do after that happens? and how do u know? any sexual sides?and die?what side did u get from dnp?response much appreciated thanks

reborn72 · 09-28-2008, 01:21 PM

I look at them like matter of graduating from one to another and sticking with what works best for you. I personally like a good ECA stack, I've tried clen and T3 year ago and there was so much out there about T3 and thyroid shutdown I stayed nervous the whole time and I felt drained and shitty so I didnt do much cardio. I haven't tried DNP because the stuff just scares me, I guess I haven't reached that comfort level.
My only advice is try clen/T3 after giving a 100% effort at ECA with cardio and a really tight diet.

Sadie · 09-28-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shauny2times

what kind of added results did the dnp give compared to the clen t3? thyroid shutdown? what do u do after that happens? and how do u know? any sexual sides?and die?what side did u get from dnp?response much appreciated thanks

clen/t3 isnt as fast and isnt as muscle sparring. i lost 9 lbs of fat in 13 days on dnp. i have never met anymone that had permenant thyroid shut down from t3 so i have no idea what you do lol i would assume you would have to stay on the t3 perm if that happened though.. a blood test can test for the thyroid levels. some men have sexual sides from all stimulants.. if you are one of those .. you will get them if not no sweat. no sexual sides from dnp other then the fact that you are so hot sweaty and uncomfortable you dont want to be touched lol

i got a fever hives and sweat like i just ran a marathon from just sitting still lol there is also water retention from hell which will go away as soon as it clears your system

pipes97 · 09-29-2008, 12:09 AM

so after you run dnp , you get water bloat how long does this last? so you drop the weight and then gain it back in water then you go back to normal post dnp ,and how many pounds you lost sticks?????????

shauny2times · 09-29-2008, 02:33 AM

wow that's good results but damn that dosent sound like fun..what would my gf think lol.....sadie how many times have u used dnp? so u would say dnp is the best muscle saver comparing the three?? thanks sadie

Antihero · 09-29-2008, 04:37 AM

Why in the hell are you going to "bulk" when your 17-20% bodyfat? How do you know your 17-20% and not 20-25? Either way that is too fat. IMO there is NO reason a bodybuilder or someone aspiring to look like on should be above 15% EVER. The body is best at adding muscle at about 10-12% bodyfat anyway. Anything more is just not necessary, do not fool yourself. Dont worry about the diet drugs, unless your in single digits already and at a sticking point, then and only then would I even think a person might consider them. Getting from 20% bf to 15-12%bf can be done with ease if you know how to diet, train, and do cardio correctly. If you dont save the money you were going to spend on drugs and hire someone that can teach you to diet properly to get to your goal safely. People always want the easy/quick way out, this is bodybuilding its a marathon not a sprint. Pay your dues at the dinner table, and treadmill you will thank me later

Antihero · 09-29-2008, 04:41 AM

And to others, people please be responsible here dont be so quick to say take this this and this, thats how I did it, ect. All you know about this guy is hes 17-20%bf yeah he needs to loose some bodyfat but its not going to take Clen, T3, DNP, ect to do it. If you want help bro post your diet and link it here Ill help you out.

pipes97 · 09-29-2008, 05:33 PM

ditto.

Sadie · 09-30-2008, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pipes97

so after you run dnp , you get water bloat how long does this last? so you drop the weight and then gain it back in water then you go back to normal post dnp ,and how many pounds you lost sticks?????????

no while you are ON dnp you hold shitloads of water and about 3-4 days after your last dose it falls off and you see how lean you suddently are. I havent gained any body fat back and i started my bulk right after the last dnp cycle i ran

i have run it 2 cycles and i will run a 3rd in november once my bulk is over to do a fast cut before another bulk.. i havent put on fat bulking and assuming i continue to stay pretty lean i think the dnp is all i will need for a cut before i bulk again. DNP is muscle sparing clen and t3 arent.. especially the t3 which can make you catabolic fairly easily. As for what to tell the gf.. i have no idea.. my bf is a juicer he hooked me up with my source i dont have to lie to him about cycling lol

BISONE · 09-30-2008, 08:16 AM

I have to agree with antihero here i was always looking for the easy way out when i first started.... i just heard that whole Bulk huge first then cut down later.. what i didnt realize is a bber in his bulking stage is around the 12-15% mark anyhow which is still fairly lean... get ur diet in order...ill give u the same advise i was giving recently and it worked wonders for me... and ten fold that of what clen did for me in the past... eat Alot of protein 2 grams per kg body weight and eat a lot of veggies... dont go into keto but have your carbs from sources such as Rice and Oats cut them out after 3pm and eat ur min of 6 meals per day... do that for 3 months and ull be ready to hit the clen and or gear to melt further fat off and actually see your muscles grow... hope this helped

Conciliator · 10-10-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadie

DNP is muscle sparing clen and t3 arent.. especially the t3 which can make you catabolic fairly easily.

Clen and EC are both protein sparing and will prevent muscle loss as you diet. T3 is definitely catabolic.

Power81 · 10-11-2008, 12:36 AM

Sadie is correct about the thyroid meds not sparing muscle. I persoanly lean towards the ECA combo myself. I currently only use it first thing in the morning to get to work, but When it is taken 3-4x/day with a dialed in diet and the right amopunt of cardio, it works wonders. Remember that its you yourself that has to do the work, not the drug.

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Antihero Senior Member Antihero's Stats Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,623 Status: Offline Antihero's Info Location: Country:	Why in the hell are you going to "bulk" when your 17-20% bodyfat? How do you know your 17-20% and not 20-25? Either way that is too fat. IMO there is NO reason a bodybuilder or someone aspiring to look like on should be above 15% EVER. The body is best at adding muscle at about 10-12% bodyfat anyway. Anything more is just not necessary, do not fool yourself. Dont worry about the diet drugs, unless your in single digits already and at a sticking point, then and only then would I even think a person might consider them. Getting from 20% bf to 15-12%bf can be done with ease if you know how to diet, train, and do cardio correctly. If you dont save the money you were going to spend on drugs and hire someone that can teach you to diet properly to get to your goal safely. People always want the easy/quick way out, this is bodybuilding its a marathon not a sprint. Pay your dues at the dinner table, and treadmill you will thank me later
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pipes97 Member pipes97's Stats Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 90 Status: Offline pipes97's Info Location: Country:	so after you run dnp , you get water bloat how long does this last? so you drop the weight and then gain it back in water then you go back to normal post dnp ,and how many pounds you lost sticks?????????

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Power81 Senior Member Power81's Stats Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,477 Status: Offline Power81's Info Location: New York Country:	Sadie is correct about the thyroid meds not sparing muscle. I persoanly lean towards the ECA combo myself. I currently only use it first thing in the morning to get to work, but When it is taken 3-4x/day with a dialed in diet and the right amopunt of cardio, it works wonders. Remember that its you yourself that has to do the work, not the drug.