What would you recomend?

gaerfin · 10-01-2008, 06:02 PM

This is only my second cycle, and on my first I did no PCT, but this time I will.
I am only running Omn. 250/week and Deca 300/week for 12 weeks. What should I use for PCT? This is new to me your advice is appreciated.

propionator · 10-01-2008, 07:42 PM

The search function will work wonders.

Sadie · 10-01-2008, 07:51 PM

nolva or adex or letro or clommid lol prolly just need the nolva unless you start to get gyno then i would add the letro

propionator · 10-01-2008, 08:05 PM

Sadie, curious, what do you use for PCT? Or do you even need it? Im not familiar with female regimines.

drob29 · 10-01-2008, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaerfin

This is only my second cycle, and on my first I did no PCT, but this time I will.
I am only running Omn. 250/week and Deca 300/week for 12 weeks. What should I use for PCT? This is new to me your advice is appreciated.

Your cycle needs help bro.

Why is your test lower than the deca? and why are you ending both at the same time? Test needs to go longer than deca (1/2 life issue) or your PCT will be a mess.

post your full stats

age
ht
wt
lift history
cycle history
diet
goals

and you will get more help

Sadie · 10-01-2008, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by propionator

Sadie, curious, what do you use for PCT? Or do you even need it? Im not familiar with female regimines.

women dont need pct its a perk

im on nolva year round but thats just to lower estro to stay hard and dry not for any other reason related to any cycle

Data · 10-01-2008, 08:29 PM

Two weeks after your last shot of test/deca I would start taking 50-100mg of clomid and 20-40mg of nolvadex daily for 2-3 weeks total.

I think your cycle looks fine bro. Ive been using steroids for the past 13 years. I've run a lot of test/deca cycles in my past and never had any issues getting off. Actually I just finished up a test/deca cycle 3 weeks ago and I stopped everything at the same time and I have no issues in the bedroom. Ive dropped some water weight but I'm still strong.

gethugeagain · 10-02-2008, 04:05 AM

Pct aside, I would do a little more thinking on you cycle first. I personally think 250mg/wk omn is a complete waste, even for second cycle and your test should always be higher then your test. Just my friendly advice and opinion!

Have you already started you cycle?

jacenty · 10-02-2008, 04:36 AM

I have had great success with 250 mg of omnas a week. I know you will say that with sucha a low dose its a waste of fast acting esters, but nonentheles I am happy with the results I got. I have run low doesed cycles like that with test e and omnas and i don;t see any major difference. With a good diet and proper training you will get good gains.

drob29 · 10-02-2008, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Data

Two weeks after your last shot of test/deca I would start taking 50-100mg of clomid and 20-40mg of nolvadex daily for 2-3 weeks total.

I think your cycle looks fine bro. Ive been using steroids for the past 13 years. I've run a lot of test/deca cycles in my past and never had any issues getting off. Actually I just finished up a test/deca cycle 3 weeks ago and I stopped everything at the same time and I have no issues in the bedroom. Ive dropped some water weight but I'm still strong.

Your foolish, and this is POOR advice.

The 1/2 life of deca ia about twice that of test c/e. If you drop both at the same time and begin PCT two weeks after the last shot, then your deca level has not bottomed out, and your trying to convince your balls to produce test again, when the deca is still active. THAT WONT WORK and natural test level recovery will be delayed, or worse.

Mabey that works for you (not sure why your deca and test 1/2 life would be any different than mine...but lets assume your special like that) but that advice is poor.

The fact you have 13 years of experience means nothing here, and the fact you have a zillion posts is worthless as well.

The fact you tell a newbie its ok to end a deca test cycle at the same time, and begin PCT 2 weeks after, says to me your the one who needs to read up and learn more before you dish out more lousy cycle advice.

smarten up

onyx.h · 10-02-2008, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drob29

Your cycle needs help bro.

Why is your test lower than the deca? and why are you ending both at the same time? Test needs to go longer than deca (1/2 life issue) or your PCT will be a mess.

post your full stats

age
ht
wt
lift history
cycle history
diet
goals

and you will get more help

OK, there is ZERO problem with deca being higher then test... ZERO! Now I personally would recommend stopping the deca 2 weeks or so before the test OR running some dbol for 2 weeks post main cycle I dont think it would make a HUGE difference. As far as his "full stats" I think that is pretty much irrelevant in regards to the question at hand.

Data · 10-02-2008, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drob29

Your foolish, and this is POOR advice.

The 1/2 life of deca ia about twice that of test c/e. If you drop both at the same time and begin PCT two weeks after the last shot, then your deca level has not bottomed out, and your trying to convince your balls to produce test again, when the deca is still active. THAT WONT WORK and natural test level recovery will be delayed, or worse.

Mabey that works for you (not sure why your deca and test 1/2 life would be any different than mine...but lets assume your special like that) but that advice is poor.

The fact you have 13 years of experience means nothing here, and the fact you have a zillion posts is worthless as well.

The fact you tell a newbie its ok to end a deca test cycle at the same time, and begin PCT 2 weeks after, says to me your the one who needs to read up and learn more before you dish out more lousy cycle advice.

smarten up

Thanks boss. I'm sorry if I hurt your internet ego. I just disagree. I'm not really into arguing with internet gurus I just share my experiences over the past decade.

halloween · 10-02-2008, 03:06 PM

actually omnadren has a that easter similiar to decanoate or maybe it is decanoate so basically u will have 100mg of test running along with deca honestly id bump the test up to 500 right now u have more deca then test

strength · 10-02-2008, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gethugeagain

Pct aside, I would do a little more thinking on you cycle first. I personally think 250mg/wk omn is a complete waste, even for second cycle and your test should always be higher then your test. Just my friendly advice and opinion!

Have you already started you cycle?

first cycle ever was 250 mgs of crappy mexican sus

gained 25 lbs in 9 weeks

Data · 10-02-2008, 03:44 PM

My first cycle was two 100mg injections of test propionate per week and the first six weeks I was up 22lbs. I've seen football players gain 15-20lbs off 200-400mg of deca per week. I think 250 test and 300 deca is plenty for a second cycle.

It boils down to your genes. My advice is, esp for a younger guy, muscle takes time. Don't start off shooting high amounts because its only uphill from here. Besides either you have the genetics or you dont. I know guys that take a gram of test a week and look like shit couldn't even win a local show.

awal · 10-02-2008, 03:58 PM

it wasnt that crappy then! lol.

some people do fine on a higher dose of decca than test but i feel better when test dose is equal or more than decca.

i have done 5-6 test/decca cycles and i did recover well in the old days stopping both at the same time but i would recomend stopping decca 2 weeks early. you will just recover a little esier.

id do this

start nolva @ 20-40mg 2 weeks after last shot for 3 weeks.
start clomid @ 100/50/50 3 weeks after.

do that and you should be fine within 6 weeks.

big_paul · 10-02-2008, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drob29

Your foolish, and this is POOR advice.

The 1/2 life of deca ia about twice that of test c/e. If you drop both at the same time and begin PCT two weeks after the last shot, then your deca level has not bottomed out, and your trying to convince your balls to produce test again, when the deca is still active. THAT WONT WORK and natural test level recovery will be delayed, or worse.

Mabey that works for you (not sure why your deca and test 1/2 life would be any different than mine...but lets assume your special like that) but that advice is poor.

The fact you have 13 years of experience means nothing here, and the fact you have a zillion posts is worthless as well.

The fact you tell a newbie its ok to end a deca test cycle at the same time, and begin PCT 2 weeks after, says to me your the one who needs to read up and learn more before you dish out more lousy cycle advice.

smarten up

uh oh.. be careful what you say around here, you might find yourself banned for talking like that, especially to a veteran of the board......

Data · 10-02-2008, 04:47 PM

I apologize to gaerfin for jackin' his thread but I just want to pipe up and say something. I use to own a board and was a monitor on a few others. I found the job to be very difficult. You always see the same members posting shit about this and that, another group that fights all day, and a few that seem to like to push the rules (that grey area). Its frustrating to see the same members posting this shit all the time. Then when you put your foot down all the crybabies come up out of the woods and start calling censorship and whatever.

I feel for the monitors here at anabolex.

I personally think your comments were disrespectful. I've always done my best to give people advice and give them enough time (rather than one liners).

I'm grateful I get more thanks than haters cause I wouldn't be here if people didn't appreciate it.

I mean think about what you said for a second. Your acting like a baby. Its no wonder people don't want people like you around and you get banned. Think about it. I've been here at anabolex for 10 years and most people just want to chat about ideas and get some advice on their next cycle. Posts like yours are negative and bring the quality of the board down in my opinion.

I'm not a mod here. Don't get kickbacks. I don't have any pull. So say what you want. But I've always posted with the attitude that i'm face to face with the guy. If I wont say it to his face then I wouldn't post it either.

onyx.h · 10-02-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big_paul

uh oh.. be careful what you say around here, you might find yourself banned for talking like that, especially to a veteran of the board......

with all due respect I dont think anyone should EVER be banned for saying what they think. It is a matter of HOW they reply. I was here for a long min and left but am back and the one thing I liked about bolex is that its not BAN HAPPY! I disagree with him (strongly) but so what?? we should be able to say "you are wrong" and not worry about being banned and please understand that I am not saying data is wrong BUT the idea that you can not but heads with a "vet" is just wrong. I know some here feel that way and you can tell them by their responses but by and large the peeps here understand. l8r

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gaerfin New Member gaerfin's Stats Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 29 Status: Offline gaerfin's Info Location: Country:	What would you recomend? This is only my second cycle, and on my first I did no PCT, but this time I will. I am only running Omn. 250/week and Deca 300/week for 12 weeks. What should I use for PCT? This is new to me your advice is appreciated.

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propionator Senior Member propionator's Stats Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,417 Status: Offline propionator's Info Location: Mars Country:	The search function will work wonders.
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propionator Senior Member propionator's Stats Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,417 Status: Offline propionator's Info Location: Mars Country:	Sadie, curious, what do you use for PCT? Or do you even need it? Im not familiar with female regimines.
	__________________ "If you dont live for something you'll die for nothing"-Hatebreed Propionator isnt a real person. The information given by propionator is for entertainment and fantasy only. Avoiding your problems will always make them worse Get your bloods done fellas. Propionator reserves the right to become an asshole for no real reason. Because he's not real "It's a blender...you're not smashing atoms." - Xanthine

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Data Senior Member Data's Stats Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,635 Status: Online Data's Info Location: Canada Country:	My first cycle was two 100mg injections of test propionate per week and the first six weeks I was up 22lbs. I've seen football players gain 15-20lbs off 200-400mg of deca per week. I think 250 test and 300 deca is plenty for a second cycle. It boils down to your genes. My advice is, esp for a younger guy, muscle takes time. Don't start off shooting high amounts because its only uphill from here. Besides either you have the genetics or you dont. I know guys that take a gram of test a week and look like shit couldn't even win a local show.
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gethugeagain Senior Member gethugeagain's Stats Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 321 Status: Offline gethugeagain's Info Location: Country:	Pct aside, I would do a little more thinking on you cycle first. I personally think 250mg/wk omn is a complete waste, even for second cycle and your test should always be higher then your test. Just my friendly advice and opinion! Have you already started you cycle?

10-02-2008, 04:36 AM	#9 (permalink)
jacenty Senior Member jacenty's Stats Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 389 Status: Offline jacenty's Info Location: Country:	I have had great success with 250 mg of omnas a week. I know you will say that with sucha a low dose its a waste of fast acting esters, but nonentheles I am happy with the results I got. I have run low doesed cycles like that with test e and omnas and i don;t see any major difference. With a good diet and proper training you will get good gains.

10-02-2008, 04:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
Data Senior Member Data's Stats Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,635 Status: Online Data's Info Location: Canada Country:	I apologize to gaerfin for jackin' his thread but I just want to pipe up and say something. I use to own a board and was a monitor on a few others. I found the job to be very difficult. You always see the same members posting shit about this and that, another group that fights all day, and a few that seem to like to push the rules (that grey area). Its frustrating to see the same members posting this shit all the time. Then when you put your foot down all the crybabies come up out of the woods and start calling censorship and whatever. I feel for the monitors here at anabolex. I personally think your comments were disrespectful. I've always done my best to give people advice and give them enough time (rather than one liners). I'm grateful I get more thanks than haters cause I wouldn't be here if people didn't appreciate it. I mean think about what you said for a second. Your acting like a baby. Its no wonder people don't want people like you around and you get banned. Think about it. I've been here at anabolex for 10 years and most people just want to chat about ideas and get some advice on their next cycle. Posts like yours are negative and bring the quality of the board down in my opinion. I'm not a mod here. Don't get kickbacks. I don't have any pull. So say what you want. But I've always posted with the attitude that i'm face to face with the guy. If I wont say it to his face then I wouldn't post it either.
	__________________ A man oriented to duty recognizes that nothing of consequence gets done unless someone puts himself on the line. I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. - Jefferson.