Second Cycle advice

[tard_zone]

Hey guys I am coming to the end of my first cycle. Here is what it looked like:

Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg/week for 10 weeks
Arimidex .25 mg eod

I put on about 10 pounds from starting and there is still room for more growth. On top of the 10 pounds I've went up on the weight scale, I've leaned out so LBM increase quite a bit. This was my first cycle. I will be picking up for my second cycle even tho I will not be startin for a while. I am picking up my gear because I will save lots if I order with my bud, making it a higher price order plus his prices are low right now and I want to take advantage of that. So here is what I have planned, Im hoping i will get some insight on the length and doses.

Week 1-3/6: Dianabol @ 30/40 mg/day
Week 1-12/14: Deca Durabolin @ 400/500 mg/week
Week 1-14/16: Testosterone Enanthate/Cypionate @ 500/750 mg week
Week 1-16/18: Letrozole/Arimidex @ .25 mg/day

Thanks guys, I'll be plannin PCT after my cycle is completed. Im thinkin about Nolva/Clomid/HCG. Not sure if that will be too much or too little and I've never tried HCG. But anyway I want to get the cycle figured out then I will do my PCT, thanks again.

Also would Letro be good to run that long, I've read it's pretty potent and should be used for short term, which is why I was considering arimidex as a replacement.

And I was also thinking, would tren and test only cycle be too much for my second cycle?

[gethugeagain]

Well you first cycle was test only and this is only you second so you still want to keep it simple. I always say "keep it as simple as possible for as long as possible"! Anyway, I would say two compounds would be perfect, defenetley no more then three. I would go with something like the following;

wk 1-12 test E @ 500mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca @ 400mg/wk
wk 1-4/6 30mg dbol/day

That is a good second cycle and all you need! I would keep the test at 500mg for now and get as much from that amount as possible before jumping up, you will get better gains in the long run doing so. Run the AI's as needed, hcg seams to be personal preference, some love it while others think its worthless. I personally think if you gona use it its best to run it throughout the cycle, there are different ways to do this, do a search if interested. You can also look into proviron for controlling bloat and other estro sides during cycle.

That cycle is perfect and along with proper diet/rest you will get great gains, for sure! There's no reason to do any more then that and doing so will actually hurt gains/progress in the long run. Good luck and I hope this helps you out. Keep us posted!

Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention....NO TREN YET!

[drob29]

10 lbs on your first cycle means your diet sucks ASS. You should have put on 18 at least. Plus, in a month or two you will lose 4 and you will have gained six lbs total from your first cycle. You only get one first cycle bro.

Before you do another cycle spend more time on diet and less time on what compounds to use. You need to EAT clean and not worry about putting on a little fat. Serch here and at promuscle and get some idea of what it takes to consume food on cycle. 10 lbs on your first cycle means you dont have a clue.

100% of ganis = 60% diet/ rest + 25% workout + 15% AAS. If your not investing more time and research into diet than AAS then your pissing into a stiff breeze.

my 2 cents

[tard_zone]

Originally Posted by gethugeagain

Well you first cycle was test only and this is only you second so you still want to keep it simple. I always say "keep it as simple as possible for as long as possible"! Anyway, I would say two compounds would be perfect, defenetley no more then three. I would go with something like the following;

wk 1-12 test E @ 500mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca @ 400mg/wk
wk 1-4/6 30mg dbol/day

That is a good second cycle and all you need! I would keep the test at 500mg for now and get as much from that amount as possible before jumping up, you will get better gains in the long run doing so. Run the AI's as needed, hcg seams to be personal preference, some love it while others think its worthless. I personally think if you gona use it its best to run it throughout the cycle, there are different ways to do this, do a search if interested. You can also look into proviron for controlling bloat and other estro sides during cycle.

That cycle is perfect and along with proper diet/rest you will get great gains, for sure! There's no reason to do any more then that and doing so will actually hurt gains/progress in the long run. Good luck and I hope this helps you out. Keep us posted!

Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention....NO TREN YET!

Haha, only reason I threw tren into the equation is because people say only add one more compound and if i did tren i would just do a test/tren cycle. Im glad you think this is a proper second cycle and I was leaning towards those doses. The only problem I have with what you recommend is that, shouldn't the test be used for an additonal 2 weeks after deca is being stopped. I've heard this should be done due to the suppressive nature of deca.

[tard_zone]

Originally Posted by drob29

10 lbs on your first cycle means your diet sucks ASS. You should have put on 18 at least. Plus, in a month or two you will lose 4 and you will have gained six lbs total from your first cycle. You only get one first cycle bro.

Before you do another cycle spend more time on diet and less time on what compounds to use. You need to EAT clean and not worry about putting on a little fat. Serch here and at promuscle and get some idea of what it takes to consume food on cycle. 10 lbs on your first cycle means you dont have a clue.

100% of ganis = 60% diet/ rest + 25% workout + 15% AAS. If your not investing more time and research into diet than AAS then your pissing into a stiff breeze.

my 2 cents

I am aware of the importance of diet, rest, and training beilve me this is not new to me. First off a few reasons my cycle was not as good as it could have been was: the gear I got was from a sketchy guy and some people say its alright and some say its underdosed so im not sure if i got the 500 mgs, I only did 10 weeks and it didnt kick in until 6th - 7th week and not sure why it took so long to kick in. Armidex was ran the entire cycle to keep estro down so I wouldnt retain water (possible gains). I injected once a week and there were a couple shots that were less than 2cc so I was actually doing less than 500 mg/wk (and on top of that it was possibly udnerdosed). I did go up 10 pounds, and leaned out, so gained 10 pounds of muscle and lost fat but muscle weight replaced that fat weight loss so the net gain was more than 10 pounds. Not sure on exact weight of fat loss so its hard to say the exact number of pounds I gained, but I went up 10 pounds on the scale while leaning out, i know that for sure. So there are some reasons

[gethugeagain]

Yeah bro keep it simple as I said, you have plenty of time to add those "fancy" compounds. It will serve you better in the long run and it gives you something to look forward to!

On the deca thing, I know some say to do that but I my self have always stored both at the same time and never had any problems. With that said the active life for deca is 14-16 days, the active life for test E is 15-16 days, so I cant see why there would be any issue!

[drob29]

Originally Posted by gethugeagain

Yeah bro keep it simple as I said, you have plenty of time to add those "fancy" compounds. It will serve you better in the long run and it gives you something to look forward to!

On the deca thing, I know some say to do that but I my self have always stored both at the same time and never had any problems. With that said the active life for deca is 14-16 days, the active life for test E is 15-16 days, so I cant see why there would be any issue!

its not the active life that needs to be looked at, it's the 1/2 life.

[tard_zone]

So if everyone agrees these doses are good:

wk 1-12 test E @ 500mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca @ 400mg/wk
wk 1-4/6 30mg dbol/day

What kinda anti-estro should I use while on? I've used arimidex and it worked good, was thinkign about letro, but that might be a bit harsh. Also with deca, is it mandatory to get a hold of anti-progesteronic drugs such as Cabergoline and Bromocriptine. And should HCG be included?? And if HCG and caber/bromo can't be obtained, should I not do deca and maybe do eq or something instead?

[onyx.h]

I cant knock 10lbs cause I dont know your genetics, that could have been a hell of a gain for you and if you did not have body fat % done you could have gained a lot more then 10lbs of muscle but I do not think you need a next cycle like the one you propose. IF you HAVE TO go up I would either just go to 600-750 of test alone and extend the cycle to 16 weeks. If you HAVE TO add a substance I would just go to 375 test and 300 deca a week for 16 weeks. There is no need to go from 500mgs to over a gram a week.

[drob29]

Originally Posted by onyx.h

. IF you HAVE TO go up I would either just go to 600-750 of test alone and extend the cycle to 16 weeks. If you HAVE TO add a substance I would just go to 375 test and 300 deca a week for 16 weeks. There is no need to go from 500mgs to over a gram a week.

Good advice here. More is not always better.

I guess you dont see the need to run your test 2 weeks past the deca...eh, it's your body.

HCG from week 4-12 will assist with PCT and keep you balls from shrinking, especially if you use the deca. Use it 500iu's E5D weeks 4-12. Its sub q injected.

run adex .25mg EOD, it will help reduce bloat. If you do the deca dbol, then use it .25mg ED until you drop the dbol, then .25 EOD for the rest of your cycle

As I said before, your diet needs to be spot on and from a 10 lb gain on your first cycle it's not. All the AAS and cycles in the world wont help if your diet is off the mark.

[awal]

Originally Posted by drob29

Good advice here. More is not always better.

I guess you dont see the need to run your test 2 weeks past the deca...eh, it's your body.

HCG from week 4-12 will assist with PCT and keep you balls from shrinking, especially if you use the deca. Use it 500iu's E5D weeks 4-12. Its sub q injected.

run adex .25mg EOD, it will help reduce bloat. If you do the deca dbol, then use it .25mg ED until you drop the dbol, then .25 EOD for the rest of your cycle

As I said before, your diet needs to be spot on and from a 10 lb gain on your first cycle it's not. All the AAS and cycles in the world wont help if your diet is off the mark.

i agree with everything here except for the gains part, if he gained 10 lbs on the scale and leaned out allong with the fact that he was using adex to keep water down those are good,clean,dry gains.

adex will hinder gains on the scales but will give better results in the mirror.

also i have found that after a cycle were adex has been used, more gains come from intra muscular water weight post cycle so he may keep that 10 lbs.

[tard_zone]

If I can't get a hold of HCG is there going to be a problem with running deca? Will running it with test and adex be good for on cycle, and just a clomid/nolva pct.

[drob29]

Originally Posted by tard_zone

If I can't get a hold of HCG is there going to be a problem with running deca? Will running it with test and adex be good for on cycle, and just a clomid/nolva pct.

The cycle will be fine without the HCG, although HCG would help with recovery.

run the test 2 weeks longer than the deca (deca 12weeks , test 14 weeks). Read this:

What would you recomend?

Then run this PCT

two weeks after your last test shot

week 1 clomid 100mg ED (300 mg first 3 days)/nolvadex 40 mg ed
week 2 clomid 50 mg ed/nolva 30 ed
week 3 clomid 50 mg ed/nolva 20 ed

If you do get HCG use it 500 iu E5D weeks 4-14. Do not use HCG past your last test shot or for PCT. HCG inhibits natural test recovery.

hope this helps