GH and SLIN

[Shaolin]

Im doing the 5 on 2 off plan. 4 IU monday (IM). Tues, wed, thurs and friday 2 IU (SUBQ).

Using GH preworkout and SLIN postworkout (4-6 IU).

My plan is to loose fat as much as possible.

Is slin a good option if Im triying to loose fat?.

Thanks.

[Shaolin]

I totally disagree. Im already seing the benefit of GH alone: More energy, better skin, less body fat and thats only what u can see bc theres alot of benefits that u cant see: less bad colesterol, repair of intern organs, healing of injuries, etc. I think people should quit talking like their the next coleman or cutler and start thinking in a more healthy way.

I can't disagree with this fact, the 5-2 is not optimal. But neither is not being able to stack some test and an oral with it. Or not having a huge budget to put toward what I am assuming is a hobby/lifestyle, essentially not ones source of income.

In this posters case, he has specific reasons he doesn't want to add androgens and has reasonable goals. Would I like to see him save his HGH til he can do it right? Yeah, I've suggested that a few times, but he is his own man. I am not at all doubtful that he will see better health and bf reduction even on 5-2, as these are very reasonable goals for low dose unstacked HGH.

Unrelated to OP specifically, I am confident that 5-2 vs 7 is less important than the absence of sufficient androgens in this HGH cycle. 5days or 7 is all money down the drain IMO without adequate androgen stacking. And honestly, I would bet less then 5-10% of our members have a real need to resort to HGH. It takes finesse to tweak. Guys thought it was the secret of star athletes, but really its greatest value was the ongoing inability of labs to flag it. That was its greatest appeal in tested sports, it was pretty safe for a while. But that's ancient history now. Now it shows up in any real testing program and it's is still only as effective as it once was, minimal to moderate without stacking. And it's still damn expensive if you go with reliable brands.

Basically, unless the results of your HGH use is going to PAY for your HGH use (and i mean now not im gonna be). It's not worth it Cost to benfit wise IMHO.

[rager2500]

Ok thanks, which is the most effective way to combine GH and SLIN?.

Sorry buddy, I cant give you that protocol bc its just too dangerous for someone I dont even know to even try and it would be irresponsible of me to even post it. And reading all the comments now and questions you pose, I would stay clear from slin Shaolin until you get a better understanding of both. This is not intended to be a flame at all, its just an observation. Asking if you can split dosage of HGH and doing a 5/2 protocol means you do not know enough about the product. Just because youve done it before does not mean you know how to use it. Good luck on your research and I hope you find what your looking for.

[KhaMD]

I totally disagree. Im already seing the benefit of GH alone: More energy, better skin, less body fat and thats only what u can see bc theres alot of benefits that u cant see: less bad colesterol, repair of intern organs, healing of injuries, etc. I think people should quit talking like their the next coleman or cutler and start thinking in a more healthy way.

Please read the post you are commenting on carefully bro. Not gonna argue with you, but you are basically making the SAME point I did. What you are describing are exactly the clinical benefits of HGH treatment. Which I said you would see... You are taking hgh, its no shock you are getting its classic benefits. Just not maximizing it if your goals are to have an impressive physique. I even said repeatedly that your goals were reasonable for HGH alone.

My post is regarding the fact that from a muscle building perspective HGH is poor without androgens. That's fact. Not for the next Mr. Olympia, but anyone. And as far as health, you don't need HGH to be healthy either, you are using it to feel better then normal health unless you are naturally deficient... So beware of glass houses and throwing stones. Gear can and is used responsibly by many people who are very healthy and don't want to be the next Coleman. It's by far one of the healthiest illegal substances I know of frankly.

[KhaMD]

Im doing the 5 on 2 off plan. 4 IU monday (IM). Tues, wed, thurs and friday 2 IU (SUBQ).

Using GH preworkout and SLIN postworkout (4-6 IU).

My plan is to loose fat as much as possible.

Is slin a good option if Im triying to loose fat?.

Thanks.

And I am not trying to bicker here, you seem a good dude just trying to figure things out... But insulin is far from a reasonable or safe choice if your goals are just better health. Insulin should not be toyed with, as stated above. May seem so easy to use until the one time it isn't and then it can go real bad.

[Shaolin]

Yeah I stop using it. Did it for 5 weeks. Now Im using GH alone. Thanks

And I am not trying to bicker here, you seem a good dude just trying to figure things out... But insulin is far from a reasonable or safe choice if your goals are just better health. Insulin should not be toyed with, as stated above. May seem so easy to use until the one time it isn't and then it can go real bad.

[Shaolin]

Ok u said it is one of the healthiest product thats fine with me. Im not using TEST bc I dont want to shut my NTP instead Im adding MESTEROLONE (proviron) 100mg/day which help my body to create more testosterone naturally.

Please read the post you are commenting on carefully bro. Not gonna argue with you, but you are basically making the SAME point I did. What you are describing are exactly the clinical benefits of HGH treatment. Which I said you would see... You are taking hgh, its no shock you are getting its classic benefits. Just not maximizing it if your goals are to have an impressive physique. I even said repeatedly that your goals were reasonable for HGH alone.

My post is regarding the fact that from a muscle building perspective HGH is poor without androgens. That's fact. Not for the next Mr. Olympia, but anyone. And as far as health, you don't need HGH to be healthy either, you are using it to feel better then normal health unless you are naturally deficient... So beware of glass houses and throwing stones. Gear can and is used responsibly by many people who are very healthy and don't want to be the next Coleman. It's by far one of the healthiest illegal substances I know of frankly.

[Shaolin]

Ok mr. olympia

Sorry buddy, I cant give you that protocol bc its just too dangerous for someone I dont even know to even try and it would be irresponsible of me to even post it. And reading all the comments now and questions you pose, I would stay clear from slin Shaolin until you get a better understanding of both. This is not intended to be a flame at all, its just an observation. Asking if you can split dosage of HGH and doing a 5/2 protocol means you do not know enough about the product. Just because youve done it before does not mean you know how to use it. Good luck on your research and I hope you find what your looking for.

[rager2500]

Ok mr. olympia

Funny you say that....

[KhaMD]

Ok u said it is one of the healthiest product thats fine with me. Im not using TEST bc I dont want to shut my NTP instead Im adding MESTEROLONE (proviron) 100mg/day which help my body to create more testosterone naturally.

Bro no worries... And I know why you aren't running test, we've been exchanging on this thread a lot. I am in the biz of remembering people's specific health concerns or details. I know your reasoning. That's why I said in your case I understood the hesitancy and agree, family is everything.

If you want to get good advice from guys you need to chill a bit. I get your frustrated, but Other fellows refusal to instruct you in insulin and HGH use in dieting is NOT abington a dick or elitist. He is actually trying to be conscientious which is a dying breed these days. GH potentiates insulin sensitivity making your body pull sugar from the blood way faster. When you diet to lose weight your are already limiting carbs, sugars, and this gets quite risky. That's where he is coming from, it's a real tricky thing, not to be taken lightly.

Can't speak for him of course, but that is the place I think he was coming from. If you trust us to tell you how to stack dangerous compounds, why don't you trust us when we say it is too risky for your experience and goals? And you said the GH was giving you good results, enjoy them. But really bro, try not to be so defensive or quick to dismiss things... You will lose a lot of guys that have the knowledge to help you. And they will, but you gotta come at it right.

What if Rager is the next Mr. Olympia and would have been willing to help you with other questions? Is it really worth a quick dis bcc cause he didn't say what you were hoping to hear. One of the best lines a coach ever told me is: Sports, like life, are about patient persistence. It's the honest to goodness truth.

[tren]

Im doing the 5 on 2 off plan. 4 IU monday (IM). Tues, wed, thurs and friday 2 IU (SUBQ).

Using GH preworkout and SLIN postworkout (4-6 IU).

My plan is to loose fat as much as possible.

Is slin a good option if Im triying to loose fat?.

Thanks.

bro,if ur trying to "lose as much fat as possible" then slin is not the way to do it! clean up ur diet and get on the tread mill. add some hgh IF you can afford to,and do it right everyday first thing in the morning then get on that tread mill and do a fast walk for 45mins. to an hour on an empty stomach and u will shred fat!! fast!! ive done it and thats the fastest way to shread fat.not slin!! and u aint raising ur natural test worth a sh-t takin that other.save ur money .

[Shaolin]

I feel you bro, I already said that Im not using slin anymore. Did it for 5 weeks to gain a little mass and strenght. Right now Im at week 6 doing GH alone at 3IU. 5on-2off. Maybe in a couple of weeks Ill add BOLDENONA 300mg/1cc. Doing 2ccs a week. BOLDENONA really make u more vascular and hungry like an animal.

Bro no worries... And I know why you aren't running test, we've been exchanging on this thread a lot. I am in the biz of remembering people's specific health concerns or details. I know your reasoning. That's why I said in your case I understood the hesitancy and agree, family is everything.

If you want to get good advice from guys you need to chill a bit. I get your frustrated, but Other fellows refusal to instruct you in insulin and HGH use in dieting is NOT abington a dick or elitist. He is actually trying to be conscientious which is a dying breed these days. GH potentiates insulin sensitivity making your body pull sugar from the blood way faster. When you diet to lose weight your are already limiting carbs, sugars, and this gets quite risky. That's where he is coming from, it's a real tricky thing, not to be taken lightly.

Can't speak for him of course, but that is the place I think he was coming from. If you trust us to tell you how to stack dangerous compounds, why don't you trust us when we say it is too risky for your experience and goals? And you said the GH was giving you good results, enjoy them. But really bro, try not to be so defensive or quick to dismiss things... You will lose a lot of guys that have the knowledge to help you. And they will, but you gotta come at it right.

What if Rager is the next Mr. Olympia and would have been willing to help you with other questions? Is it really worth a quick dis bcc cause he didn't say what you were hoping to hear. One of the best lines a coach ever told me is: Sports, like life, are about patient persistence. It's the honest to goodness truth.

[KhaMD]

I feel you bro, I already said that Im not using slin anymore. Did it for 5 weeks to gain a little mass and strenght. Right now Im at week 6 doing GH alone at 3IU. 5on-2off. Maybe in a couple of weeks Ill add BOLDENONA 300mg/1cc. Doing 2ccs a week. BOLDENONA really make u more vascular and hungry like an animal.

Yeah, if it's working for you that's awesome. And it will do all the things you said. Equipose is a decent drug for cutting, some bulk with it stacked though I have my questions about how much the eq is contributing other then increased appetite and increased blood volume for vascularity/pumps... but who knows.

But eq will be good with a diet. It won't shut your natural test so bad as other drugs, in most cases, but 600mg or any effective dose will to some degree.

[Shaolin]

Ok is that or adding a couple of GH IUs. Right now Im doing 15IU per week. I can afford 20IU a week and stay with GH alone. which one is a better option?. Thanks in advance.

Yeah, if it's working for you that's awesome. And it will do all the things you said. Equipose is a decent drug for cutting, some bulk with it stacked though I have my questions about how much the eq is contributing other then increased appetite and increased blood volume for vascularity/pumps... but who knows.

But eq will be good with a diet. It won't shut your natural test so bad as other drugs, in most cases, but 600mg or any effective dose will to some degree.

[KhaMD]

Ok is that or adding a couple of GH IUs. Right now Im doing 15IU per week. I can afford 20IU a week and stay with GH alone. which one is a better option?. Thanks in advance.

You will see better results adding the androgen IMO. Your GH dose is pretty low BUT it is working for you, savoir that bro... It will take more as you progress so save the cash. and 5ius more per week is not going to radically change anything... Not nearly like adding even a moderate andro like EQ

[Shaolin]

I read that a decent cycle of GH should be at leat 20 to 30 weeks long with a dose of 2-3 IU 5 days a week. BUT if you want to gain muscle then dose should be somewhere 20-30 IU per week. so my cycle is not weak. with GH long cycles is a must.

You will see better results adding the androgen IMO. Your GH dose is pretty low BUT it is working for you, savoir that bro... It will take more as you progress so save the cash. and 5ius more per week is not going to radically change anything... Not nearly like adding even a moderate andro like EQ

[KhaMD]

I read that a decent cycle of GH should be at leat 20 to 30 weeks long with a dose of 2-3 IU 5 days a week. BUT if you want to gain muscle then dose should be somewhere 20-30 IU per week. so my cycle is not weak. with GH long cycles is a must.

Okay bro, if you read it I guess I have to submit... Having never read a GH study. Oh wait, I performed them. Interned on a published paper on them.

Seriously man, I have read probably 100 clinical studies and peer reviewed medical studies. I have used it myself a ton, guided many more, in just about any manner and for just about any goal.

But you read some stuff on the Internet so there you go... People want to hear what they want to hear. Add your 5ius for that strong 20iu per 5 solo GH run. Its gonna be pretty close to the results on 15... Which you said was working fine. The EQ would have made way more difference. But you have obviously got it all figured out which is great bc I have lost all patience with giving advice and then having you tell me what you read,not as a possible question, but to inform me of the "real truth". And we never even discussed length, we're you just dropping some knowledge on me. Thanks been running it for 2 weeks typically lol. Really hate being so smart ass, but I hate the "I read" stuff. You read someone else's opinion... Not fact.

Hope it works out... also hope you learn to identify good advice when you get it, versus what you want to hear.

[TheCthulhu]

Okay bro, if you read it I guess I have to submit... Having never read a GH study. Oh wait, I performed them. Interned on a published paper on them.

Seriously man, I have read probably 100 clinical studies and peer reviewed medical studies. I have used it myself a ton, guided many more, in just about any manner and for just about any goal.

But you read some stuff on the Internet so there you go... People want to hear what they want to hear. Add your 5ius for that strong 20iu per 5 solo GH run. Its gonna be pretty close to the results on 15... Which you said was working fine. The EQ would have made way more difference. But you have obviously got it all figured out which is great bc I have lost all patience with giving advice and then having you tell me what you read,not as a possible question, but to inform me of the "real truth". And we never even discussed length, we're you just dropping some knowledge on me. Thanks been running it for 2 weeks typically lol. Really hate being so smart ass, but I hate the "I read" stuff. You read someone else's opinion... Not fact.

Hope it works out... also hope you learn to identify good advice when you get it, versus what you want to hear.

WTF is wrong with this guy? Don't even bother Kha. He asks a question (questions that ANYONE using these compounds should KNOW forwards and backwards through extensive research BEFORE they even start), then if he doesn't get the exact answer he wants to hear he argues and bitches at the people trying to help him - 2 of which are med students and several of which are VERY experienced lifters and steroid users. This is getting ridiculous..........

I also like it that he doesn't want his balls to shrink but is completely fine with diabetes, death, or coma from improper use of insulin. Priorities........

THEN he doesn't seem to be able to decide if he wants to cut or bulk - it constantly changes as he throws out questions about a hodgepodge of chemicals he knows nothing about. This is the type of person that gives steroids a bad name by injecting God knows what compounds randomly with no rhyme or reason and ends up killing himself.

On to the questions.........EQ needs to be taken for a long time to see quality results, especially at low doses, so plan on 16 weeks if you're going to bother IMO. Again, I'd go with test instead. Less sides with test. I'd also go with 3iu of HGH 7 days a week - that means 21iu/week. And I'd stay off the insulin, but apparently you know better than any of us, which makes me ponder why you ask these questions in the first place. Hmmm.........

[Shaolin]

Take it easy bro Im not asking u to marry me lol. I just finished my 6 week. My abs are looking better. doing 15IU a week. Im just triying to give my balls a rest. I used to stay on test all year long. Im going to increase dose to 20IU a week and see how it goes. thanks for the advice.

Okay bro, if you read it I guess I have to submit... Having never read a GH study. Oh wait, I performed them. Interned on a published paper on them.

Seriously man, I have read probably 100 clinical studies and peer reviewed medical studies. I have used it myself a ton, guided many more, in just about any manner and for just about any goal.

But you read some stuff on the Internet so there you go... People want to hear what they want to hear. Add your 5ius for that strong 20iu per 5 solo GH run. Its gonna be pretty close to the results on 15... Which you said was working fine. The EQ would have made way more difference. But you have obviously got it all figured out which is great bc I have lost all patience with giving advice and then having you tell me what you read,not as a possible question, but to inform me of the "real truth". And we never even discussed length, we're you just dropping some knowledge on me. Thanks been running it for 2 weeks typically lol. Really hate being so smart ass, but I hate the "I read" stuff. You read someone else's opinion... Not fact.

Hope it works out... also hope you learn to identify good advice when you get it, versus what you want to hear.

[Shaolin]

I stop using slin. Did it for the first 5 weeks. 3 times per week at 4-6IU with creatine and aminoacids postworkout with no problem.

WTF is wrong with this guy? Don't even bother Kha. He asks a question (questions that ANYONE using these compounds should KNOW forwards and backwards through extensive research BEFORE they even start), then if he doesn't get the exact answer he wants to hear he argues and bitches at the people trying to help him - 2 of which are med students and several of which are VERY experienced lifters and steroid users. This is getting ridiculous..........

I also like it that he doesn't want his balls to shrink but is completely fine with diabetes, death, or coma from improper use of insulin. Priorities........

THEN he doesn't seem to be able to decide if he wants to cut or bulk - it constantly changes as he throws out questions about a hodgepodge of chemicals he knows nothing about. This is the type of person that gives steroids a bad name by injecting God knows what compounds randomly with no rhyme or reason and ends up killing himself.

On to the questions.........EQ needs to be taken for a long time to see quality results, especially at low doses, so plan on 16 weeks if you're going to bother IMO. Again, I'd go with test instead. Less sides with test. I'd also go with 3iu of HGH 7 days a week - that means 21iu/week. And I'd stay off the insulin, but apparently you know better than any of us, which makes me ponder why you ask these questions in the first place. Hmmm.........

[binary]

I dont want to mess with my balls. SLIN doesnt shut your natural test production!.

you're right, it's better to fuck with your pancreas instead.

[KhaMD]

you're right, it's better to fuck with your pancreas instead.

This is the essence of what I want to scream at all but the most experienced. Pretty much, you have no idea what you are fucking with. Maybe that's how it needs to be put. People can get shrunk nutz and tits from test andro/estro errors. People can get dead from insulin errors or develop insulin insensitivity, aka type 2 diabetes... Is the difference really not obvious between these risks?

And Shaolin, you just crack me up dude. No bad feelings, just you are all over the place bro... Maybe some meditation based on the handle will center you? But on a serious note, I will let my girl know we won't be getting married, she was definitely concerned you were asking me to marry you. I'm telling you I am a good guy, could have had a great life together. Lol you are So outta left field sometimes bro, but impossible not to read. I think it's you remind me of real life bros I have. Same type of thought patterns/opinions.

Whatever your cycle is at right now, I wish you luck with it my friend.

[Shaolin]

Ok you are mad because Im not adding test?. bc I already said that Im not fucking with slin anymore did it for the first 5 weeks. Right now Im at week 7. Not feeling very strong BUT my skin looking better, more energy and less fat (stomach).

This is the essence of what I want to scream at all but the most experienced. Pretty much, you have no idea what you are fucking with. Maybe that's how it needs to be put. People can get shrunk nutz and tits from test andro/estro errors. People can get dead from insulin errors or develop insulin insensitivity, aka type 2 diabetes... Is the difference really not obvious between these risks?

And Shaolin, you just crack me up dude. No bad feelings, just you are all over the place bro... Maybe some meditation based on the handle will center you? But on a serious note, I will let my girl know we won't be getting married, she was definitely concerned you were asking me to marry you. I'm telling you I am a good guy, could have had a great life together. Lol you are So outta left field sometimes bro, but impossible not to read. I think it's you remind me of real life bros I have. Same type of thought patterns/opinions.

Whatever your cycle is at right now, I wish you luck with it my friend.

[KhaMD]

Ok you are mad because Im not adding test?. bc I already said that Im not fucking with slin anymore did it for the first 5 weeks. Right now Im at week 7. Not feeling very strong BUT my skin looking better, more energy and less fat (stomach).

Nah bro, never mad err at least try not to be. I just get frustrated when i am thinking you gotta slow down and hear me out. i swear if i hadnt already asked him... I would be sure you were a good friend of mine. Lol

I was saying you were good to go when you started seeing the results with the 15 IUs. In general, yeah an androgen stacked is better... But your goals were reasonable for GH alone at those dosages. When you described the classic improved health signs at 15IUs, you were set.

That's it... But you were asking about going up 5IUs. In truth, with GH alone, the benefit of more GH is not there bc you already were getting it's benefits at 15 IUs. Bumping it to twenty was not gonna do a lot. And if you are looking for strength gains any where similar to gear, on solo gh its not gonna happen. It will give you the subtle benefits, and bf loss/leaning but over time... There won't be dramatic immediate results. This comes back to the whole issue of cost and using it with an andro. That's why for most GH alone is just not cost effective unless they are content with less drastic results for a lot more money. Never mad at anyone for what they choose to take.

And I wouldn't take all the Slin posts too personal. I know you stopped. But most everyone who posts to warn about it try to really get the point across bc it is such a serious drug. Most of the guys warning you have used, do use, or workout with guys who use Slin. You just have to be around it long enough and you will have/see an oh shit moment. Have seen/been told so many, often involving trips to ER.

It's kind of more a shout at the group as a whole, just happened to be your post. A lot of guys use it and don't have probs just like your experience but people around it a lot see what can happen. It's not the frequency but the severity of big f ups that many exp. guys are trying to get others to realize.

[BigBch]

hi
what do you think about slin pre workout?

[Shaolin]

Too dangerous better postworkout IMO

hi
what do you think about slin pre workout?

[Shaolin]

LOL you are going to make me add some test!!! 500mg test e (proviron) every 10 days. Whats best add test E or MESTEROLONA (50mg pills)?

Nah bro, never mad err at least try not to be. I just get frustrated when i am thinking you gotta slow down and hear me out. i swear if i hadnt already asked him... I would be sure you were a good friend of mine. Lol

I was saying you were good to go when you started seeing the results with the 15 IUs. In general, yeah an androgen stacked is better... But your goals were reasonable for GH alone at those dosages. When you described the classic improved health signs at 15IUs, you were set.

That's it... But you were asking about going up 5IUs. In truth, with GH alone, the benefit of more GH is not there bc you already were getting it's benefits at 15 IUs. Bumping it to twenty was not gonna do a lot. And if you are looking for strength gains any where similar to gear, on solo gh its not gonna happen. It will give you the subtle benefits, and bf loss/leaning but over time... There won't be dramatic immediate results. This comes back to the whole issue of cost and using it with an andro. That's why for most GH alone is just not cost effective unless they are content with less drastic results for a lot more money. Never mad at anyone for what they choose to take.

And I wouldn't take all the Slin posts too personal. I know you stopped. But most everyone who posts to warn about it try to really get the point across bc it is such a serious drug. Most of the guys warning you have used, do use, or workout with guys who use Slin. You just have to be around it long enough and you will have/see an oh shit moment. Have seen/been told so many, often involving trips to ER.

It's kind of more a shout at the group as a whole, just happened to be your post. A lot of guys use it and don't have probs just like your experience but people around it a lot see what can happen. It's not the frequency but the severity of big f ups that many exp. guys are trying to get others to realize.

[KhaMD]

LOL you are going to make me add some test!!! 500mg test e (proviron) every 10 days. Whats best add test E or MESTEROLONA (50mg pills)?

If you do decide to add an andro...

Not even a contest, test e. at whatever dosage you feel good with is fine, but I'd make the shots more frequent at weekly inj. Not 10 days. You want test levels stable. Proviron I have only used as an ancillary and some guys say it hardens them up... But I wouldn't use it to replace a basic test. Which for me means cyp or e.

And you see what I mean with the Slin questions lol... This whole thread has been about how it's pretty dangerous and the question we get is... Would it be a good idea to do it pre-workout? So your body is using sugar, the Slin is storing it, you are focusing on lifting. Once you start to fade, you can't gulp down that carb drink you think is your safety valve.

Myself and others have used it pre,during,post and results vary from guy to guy. What didn't change was I always had someone with me who knew what to do if someone became severely hypoglycemic and passed out. Had the whole kit in a bag. If you don't know how to do that... Any illusion of safety with insulin is just that, an illusion, no matter how safe it has been in the past.

So yeah, the takeaway is if you need to ask any insulin question, then you are not ready to start messing with preworkout and such. Worst time risk wise.

@shoalin tough call on adding the test e. lol you will be way happier gains wise but you gotta weigh it against your plans for time off... But I'd be unable/unwilling to run GH without test unless it was a matter of avoiding detection or something.

[TheCthulhu]

If you do decide to add an andro...

Not even a contest, test e. at whatever dosage you feel good with is fine, but I'd make the shots more frequent at weekly inj. Not 10 days. You want test levels stable. Proviron I have only used as an ancillary and some guys say it hardens them up... But I wouldn't use it to replace a basic test. Which for me means cyp or e.

And you see what I mean with the Slin questions lol... This whole thread has been about how it's pretty dangerous and the question we get is... Would it be a good idea to do it pre-workout? So your body is using sugar, the Slin is storing it, you are focusing on lifting. Once you start to fade, you can't gulp down that carb drink you think is your safety valve.

Myself and others have used it pre,during,post and results vary from guy to guy. What didn't change was I always had someone with me who knew what to do if someone became severely hypoglycemic and passed out. Had the whole kit in a bag. If you don't know how to do that... Any illusion of safety with insulin is just that, an illusion, no matter how safe it has been in the past.

So yeah, the takeaway is if you need to ask any insulin question, then you are not ready to start messing with preworkout and such. Worst time risk wise.

@shoalin tough call on adding the test e. lol you will be way happier gains wise but you gotta weigh it against your plans for time off... But I'd be unable/unwilling to run GH without test unless it was a matter of avoiding detection or something.

Not to mention even when using it and having no ill effects you are taking a chance of it causing type 2 diabetes. Too much of a risk for me no matter how well it works. Too much of a risk for anyone IMO other than those on the professional bodybuilding level.........

[KhaMD]

Not to mention even when using it and having no ill effects you are taking a chance of it causing type 2 diabetes. Too much of a risk for me no matter how well it works. Too much of a risk for anyone IMO other than those on the professional bodybuilding level.........

A total worry for me even on on short term cycles, even though in those cases insulin sensitivity should remain elastic and rebound. But yeah, I sweated it just making me slightly less insulin sensitive even just for the post use period. Wondered whether it would give back all it gained.

I will just say, in our case, Slin had an additional very important value... Nat. Occurring hormone and mega rapid metabolism/excretion. I know you see the value that might have for some athletes. It's why I never say no one should use it, just safely as possible, and only for very specific reasons. Not just as another form of gear, which is how it's treated in many posts.

[Shaolin]

How long does it takes to see results on GH at 2-3IU 5on-2off?. I mean I already feel better BUT I really want to make a diference with my body with this cycle.

If you do decide to add an andro...

Not even a contest, test e. at whatever dosage you feel good with is fine, but I'd make the shots more frequent at weekly inj. Not 10 days. You want test levels stable. Proviron I have only used as an ancillary and some guys say it hardens them up... But I wouldn't use it to replace a basic test. Which for me means cyp or e.

And you see what I mean with the Slin questions lol... This whole thread has been about how it's pretty dangerous and the question we get is... Would it be a good idea to do it pre-workout? So your body is using sugar, the Slin is storing it, you are focusing on lifting. Once you start to fade, you can't gulp down that carb drink you think is your safety valve.

Myself and others have used it pre,during,post and results vary from guy to guy. What didn't change was I always had someone with me who knew what to do if someone became severely hypoglycemic and passed out. Had the whole kit in a bag. If you don't know how to do that... Any illusion of safety with insulin is just that, an illusion, no matter how safe it has been in the past.

So yeah, the takeaway is if you need to ask any insulin question, then you are not ready to start messing with preworkout and such. Worst time risk wise.

@shoalin tough call on adding the test e. lol you will be way happier gains wise but you gotta weigh it against your plans for time off... But I'd be unable/unwilling to run GH without test unless it was a matter of avoiding detection or something.

[ALIN]

Im doing the 5 on 2 off plan. 4 IU monday (IM). Tues, wed, thurs and friday 2 IU (SUBQ).

Using GH preworkout and SLIN postworkout (4-6 IU).

My plan is to loose fat as much as possible.

Is slin a good option if Im triying to loose fat?.

Thanks.

I think its best used while bulking. If you did use it I would keep it low dose and infrequent,,,maybe just training days.

[Shaolin]

ALIN I want to start doing business. I cant get GH (humatrope & saizen) and TEST (test Enathate) at a very good price!

I think its best used while bulking. If you did use it I would keep it low dose and infrequent,,,maybe just training days.

[TheCthulhu]

ALIN I want to start doing business. I cant get GH (humatrope & saizen) and TEST (test Enathate) at a very good price!

Seriously?

[Shaolin]

Yeah I can post some pictures if u want.

Seriously?

[Shaolin]

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I think its best used while bulking. If you did use it I would keep it low dose and infrequent,,,maybe just training days.

[KhaMD]

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Real Humatrope is great. If you are getting that, stick with it. If you find cheap Huma, i would be real surprised if its not fake. But real Huma is worth every penny. No is this dosed right? No is this igf1? No waiting to see if it's real.

[Shaolin]

Real Humatrope is great. If you are getting that, stick with it. If you find cheap Huma, i would be real surprised if its not fake. But real Huma is worth every penny. No is this dosed right? No is this igf1? No waiting to see if it's real.

100% real. Im buying it from a legit pharmacy. 15IU/5mg of somatropina. If u want to do business PM me.