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    Hey what's good y'all? This is a bit of a long and drawn out story. I really don't want to explain everything in detail but i feel i just need to lay out the framework so its a little bit easier to understand.

    I just need some advice and opinions on what to do. I have already 1 or 2 of my closest friends about but would still like to get another point of view from others who might have been in a similar situation.

    Anyways here goes. . . .

    Basically, It all started a few months ago back in the middle of July, I had just started a new temp job for the Summer which is where I met the girl I ended up crushing on. Work was the LAST place I would of ever thought of meeting someone. I had no intentions of looking for a girlfriend or getting into any kind of relationship for that matter at the time.

    We started off as total strangers and then became good friends in a short period of time. When we first met I wasn't drawn to her right away. She was just like any other girl or co-worker. I didn't think much of it. I had a job to do and I was trying to make as much money as I can before school started in the Fall.

    After I asked her out to lunch we began going on our morning breaks and lunches together everyday for the next 2-3 weeks.

    I also started to notice that she would do things differently at work... She would come into work using the entrance on my side of the building when her entrance was way on the other side. She'd also start using the printer/fax machine near my desk and occasionally walk by and peak in to see what I am doing. I was slowly beginning to get more attracted to her not just for her looks but also her personality.

    I ended up getting her number on her last day of work.

    Our chemistry together was like no other. Our conversations whether they were in person or over the phone was always fun and interesting. We had a lot in common whether it was similar interests, foods, views on life, or the same taste in music. I started crushing on her hard but also being cautious at the same time. I wasn't in a rush to a relationship or anything but I couldn't deny the fact that I had developed stronger feelings for her.

    This is probably not important but I thought I would mention it anyway -

    While we were talking on bbm one night she was telling me how even tho i've been a thousand miles away but i'm so ecstatic about this journey (her vacation) of hers and it makes her smile. I respond by telling her - I think your the coolest person/girl I've met this Summer... actually this year now that I think about it.

    She responded saying - Really? Geez you said a lot. Thanks that's nice compliment. I appreciate your honesty.
    I believe a week 1/2 later while we were talking on bbm again and joking about her the placed we worked at SUCKED and i told her there was times at work where i wanted to just WALK OUT but I was holding back because i didn't want to burn bridges with my temp agency and also if i had walked out I wouldn't have met her. That was the only positive that came out of working there.

    Her response was - I know I can say the same thing but you say it better. You make it any experience for me everyday to look forward to seeing what you were up to, and just your beautiful interest in things and me really really touched me. It's so good to have met you too. That's so cute what you said.
    If you had walked out you wouldn't have met me. Like it would have been a missed opportunity. With your personality I'm surprised you don't have a great girl already but I just want to see you happy and I mean that.

    This is getting fairly long so I will try and speed this up!

    I ended up telling her that I liked her more then a friend and the reasons I say and do the things I do is because I had feelings for her. It took me a good 30 minutes to tell her because, I couldn't find a proper way to cut into the convo to to say what I wanted.

    Before I could say what I wanted tho it got a little awkward in the car because she ends up telling me about how she had some guy friend from a few years ago who came out of no where and told her he had feelings for her... it got weird for her after because she didn't have feelings for him and then he stopped talking to her after. Other guys who tried to pick her up in the past didn't want a relationship and had only one agenda to get into her pants.

    After hearing all that I made me re-think my plan was going to post-pone telling her everything that night and do it another day but my mind was thinking differently. One side of my brain said forget about it and do it next time ... the other side of my brain said who cares do it tonight and do it soon. I had confidence and I had a good feeling about this so I just rolled with it.

    She cried in my car after I told her how I felt. It was happy tears or some sh--! I asked her what was her first impression of me and if she felt the same way? She told me yes and that I was different then the other guys. I feel a strong connection and I should let myself open up. ... give it a chance and let myself maybe fall in Love.

    I'll be honest with you, I actually hate that word and I don't ever plan on using it unless I really feel it. I liked the girl a lot but I wasn't in love yet!!!!

    We ended the night on a high note. The next day we hanged out some more and that night while i was at her door after we hugged.. she says my name and asks if she can kiss me. I don’t recall if i said anything…. she kissed me on the cheek but I didn’t return the kiss back. I am not even sure why I didn't. Maybe it had something to do with my friend waiting for me in the car and I was in a rush to go somewhere afterwards.

    Did I screw up my chances?

    That night was the last time I have seen her since. We talked briefly for the next two days but our convo was limited. Our conversations took a decline later that week. My bbm msgs to her would not get a read but not a reply. If I asked about something she would respond by asking about something else. I called her once on the weekend but she never picked up. I left a voice mail but that went un-answered. She ended up deleting me off her blackberry messenger contact list the next night. I texted her back and asked about it but that went un-answered as well.

    Couple things I should mention... first thing is she got introduced to some guy through some friend of hers before I came along. I found that out during out second lunch meet up. I just know that he cooked dinner for her once and she did the same for him. I didn't think much of it then because I was just getting to know her. They weren't dating or anything. I wasn't sure how long they had known each other for because I never asked.

    He stood her up once when they were supposed to go hang out and she got upset about it. When I asked her about him she told me - seeing as in nothing to it... just dicking around. She even called him the "C" word. Her mom told her he wasn't worth her time. This was mentioned to me two days before our first hang out together. I felt a bit jealous when I heard about him so I knew I had to my intentions known when I told her I had feelings for her that night.

    Second thing is, she told me a while back me that when she was 19-21, she got into dangerous settings and situations but nothing bad happened. Just very damaged emotions after from either guilt or just hurting her Mom. Also she’s been physically and emotionally abused in the past. I didn’t really know what that meant until recently when i decided to look it up the net. It wasn’t good. . . I told her I was sorry she had to go through it she said it’s ok and she’s glad it did because she learned so much. She also mentioned that her life is a lot like wine. Sweet and dry, bitter but classy. Not sure what that means tho…

    Not too sure if those past experiences have anything to do with me or do they? I really don't know what happened or where I went wrong. Was it something I said or did? Did she get scared? Maybe. . . but I guess I'll never know.

    It has now been 7 weeks since we last saw each other and six weeks since I last called/texted her. I know have to move on and I already slowly am but the fact that I don’t have closure makes it even more difficult. Not gonna lie, It does hurt to be left hanging and not knowing what really happened.

    I still have her number and e-mail addy. Is it even worth my time to call or e-mail her?

    Sorry this is so long!! I tried to make it short as possible but this is the best I could do.
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    If you can move on and never look back then you probably should. Some people do need closure though to move on,,I'm thinking you need some closure.

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    yeah, that really WAS long!
    Move on, that whole thing was about as meaningless as they come.
    Sorry, but come on.....
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    It has now been 7 weeks since we last saw each other and six weeks since I last called/texted her. I know have to move on and I already slowly am but the fact that I don’t have closure makes it even more difficult. Not gonna lie, It does hurt to be left hanging and not knowing what really happened.
    Closure from what dude? You weren't even in a relationship with her.

    Geez it's hard enough to get closure when seriously long term relationships end...this was...I don't know ...but it wasn't a relationship.

    It's probably for the best too man. I could be wrong but it sounds like you had a lot vested in this working out; as in something over and above being with the girl (and if that comes across just from your writing, she is picking that up in person). Work out what that is...what this was going to represent/fix/mean/heal and deal with it separately. Your head will be clearer on your next jaunt.
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    Geeze now can you pass me 50 bucks for the counseling consultation? That was so long and detailed, it was tedious to read and I feel like a friggen psychologist having read it!

    Anyways dude, the way you approach that, you were guaranteed to end up losing her to the 'friend zone'. You became her "girl fraaaand". You gave her your shoulder to cry on so she could sob and moan about the 'jerk' who she really wanted to hook up with. Yep, the one she called a 'c' was actually the bloke she wanted to bed, unfortunately not you.

    You know how I know all this? Did I just finish a PUA training course? Did I just read the latest installment of "The Game" or other seduction and attraction book?

    Nope!

    I'm speaking from personal experience having encountered unrequited love almost 100 per cent of the time spanning more than 30 long years!

    My approach is to always be 'nice' to women and never make a direct, unambiguous move on any woman I have ever liked. The result is, at 41 years of age I have only ever been in one relationship.

    Now to add insult to injury. Again speaking from personal experience. Be prepared. Because there is a cohort of women you will attract. And I don't know about you, but this breed of woman I can certainly live without, unless you relish in a herd of middle-aged female heifers bowling you over. If you haven't encountered this yet, give it a few years when you are a little older, and you will need be belting 'em off your back.

    It sucks, but that is how contemporary dating works now.

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    Pace...you need to dig deep and find your inner-whore mate. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacesetter View Post
    The result is, at 41 years of age I have only ever been in one relationship.
    Man, I think that is such a shame!
    I've never really ever spent much time wondering what my life woulda/coulda been like if I had been born a boy. I'm not a shy person by any means, but I'm not too sure I would be very confident in asking out girls/women, and each rejection would probably drive me deeper into my shell. Life can be tough.
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    Yep it is a shame really and I say that without feeling sorry for myself, well maybe a little. Fear of rejection is a huge impediment, and low self-esteem doesn't help. I feel like I've given up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacesetter View Post
    Yep it is a shame really and I say that without feeling sorry for myself, well maybe a little. Fear of rejection is a huge impediment, and low self-esteem doesn't help. I feel like I've given up.
    I'm right there with ya, brother.

    I'm older than you and my track record isn't much better. I'm sure that some fault lies with me because I'm definitely an "aquired taste" when it comes to women. The only thing that keeps me from completely blaming myself is the amount of women I see dating/married to complete douche-tools. And, of course, all the middle-aged women you spoke of who think I'm more than okay relationship material....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HangNin View Post
    yeah, that really WAS long!
    Move on, that whole thing was about as meaningless as they come.
    Sorry, but come on.....
    Your right that was long and maybe I should of trimmed it down to make it shorter. Maybe to you it is meaningless but to me It's not which why I even came on here to ask for advice about the current situation I was dealt with.


    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthine View Post
    Closure from what dude? You weren't even in a relationship with her.

    Geez it's hard enough to get closure when seriously long term relationships end...this was...I don't know ...but it wasn't a relationship.

    It's probably for the best too man. I could be wrong but it sounds like you had a lot vested in this working out; as in something over and above being with the girl (and if that comes across just from your writing, she is picking that up in person). Work out what that is...what this was going to represent/fix/mean/heal and deal with it separately. Your head will be clearer on your next jaunt.
    Closure for what... well closure as far as what happened. She basically disappeared for no apparent reason. Your right we weren't in a relationship but it doesn't matter whether your dating or if it was your friend. Personally I don't do that but I can't speak for others. I always give a reason for things I do and not do. I wasn't thinking far ahead into the future. We just had a good thing going and the way things were looking i assumed that it could only get better. Shame on me for thinking that way. I take this as a learning experience and know better for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacesetter View Post
    Geeze now can you pass me 50 bucks for the counseling consultation? That was so long and detailed, it was tedious to read and I feel like a friggen psychologist having read it!

    Anyways dude, the way you approach that, you were guaranteed to end up losing her to the 'friend zone'. You became her "girl fraaaand". You gave her your shoulder to cry on so she could sob and moan about the 'jerk' who she really wanted to hook up with. Yep, the one she called a 'c' was actually the bloke she wanted to bed, unfortunately not you.

    You know how I know all this? Did I just finish a PUA training course? Did I just read the latest installment of "The Game" or other seduction and attraction book?

    Nope!

    I'm speaking from personal experience having encountered unrequited love almost 100 per cent of the time spanning more than 30 long years!

    My approach is to always be 'nice' to women and never make a direct, unambiguous move on any woman I have ever liked. The result is, at 41 years of age I have only ever been in one relationship.

    Now to add insult to injury. Again speaking from personal experience. Be prepared. Because there is a cohort of women you will attract. And I don't know about you, but this breed of woman I can certainly live without, unless you relish in a herd of middle-aged female heifers bowling you over. If you haven't encountered this yet, give it a few years when you are a little older, and you will need be belting 'em off your back.

    It sucks, but that is how contemporary dating works now.
    If you didn't want to read it then you didn't have to. It was fairly long and I apologize for not making it shorter.

    In what way did I approach it that made me end up in the friend zone. She never once cried on my shoulder? She only cried once and that was in my car when i told her how I felt about her and what I wanted to do.

    Your 41 years of age, I'm 25. I've been in a few relationships in the past but haven't had a girlfriend in 3 & 1/2 years. Your approach may work for you but It won't for me. Not making a direct contact to women you like is retarded. Things may not have worked out for me but at least I made a move and tried. It's better to try then walk away with regret and wondering what if. I don't regret anything just disappointed with the way things ended. I really did like her and she was the first girl I've actually liked and wanted to pursue in quite some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araab-Muzik View Post
    I always give a reason for things I do and not do.
    why would you do that? In one sense its seems polite and considerate but taken another way it can imply you expect a reciprocal arrangement whereby the other person is under obligation to provide explanations for their actions and contact they allow or do not allow.

    If she sensed you were hoping for much more and didn't want that...there's your answer. You were not coming across as just a friend. You were coming across as a friend who wanted more than she was willing or able to give. A friend with expectations....hence her gutless response of cutting and running (which would suck from your perspective...no doubt at all.)
    I really did like her and she was the first girl I've actually liked and wanted to pursue in quite some time
    Look...it does get easier. It really does. No offense meant to anyone else here...but people go through crap in life and we either come out the other side stronger or it sinks us.

    Everyone here who has had a bit of a whinge (including myself), made choices that have put them or hold them to situations they/we are now in.

    For most people...it gets easier. Just don't make a big thing our of it and do your head in is my advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Araab-Muzik View Post
    Maybe to you it is meaningless but to me It's not which why I even came on here to ask for advice about the current situation I was dealt with.
    LOL....well of course it was meaningless to ME.....kidding aside, my point was there never was any kind of 'romantic' relationship between you. You had a crush on her and she didn't feel the same. Understandable that would be disappointing and hurt your feelings some, but there was no relationship to 'move on' FROM. To avoid this in the future maybe you shouldn't invest so much before you know how the girl feels about you......JMO
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    I'd say just pace yourself, and don't close yourself off to other opportunities. And, be patient... It will happen someday.

    Refreshing that a guy has so much to say about stuff like this; I didn't think many guys actually felt or thought that deep.

    If you never take a chance, you never get the experience. It's a 50/50 thing, with whether she'll respond in a manner jubilant to you in contacting her.

    If I was a guy, I'd make sure I'd keep me on her mind if you like her that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthine View Post
    why would you do that? In one sense its seems polite and considerate but taken another way it can imply you expect a reciprocal arrangement whereby the other person is under obligation to provide explanations for their actions and contact they allow or do not allow.

    If she sensed you were hoping for much more and didn't want that...there's your answer. You were not coming across as just a friend. You were coming across as a friend who wanted more than she was willing or able to give. A friend with expectations....hence her gutless response of cutting and running (which would suck from your perspective...no doubt at all.)


    Look...it does get easier. It really does. No offense meant to anyone else here...but people go through crap in life and we either come out the other side stronger or it sinks us.

    Everyone here who has had a bit of a whinge (including myself), made choices that have put them or hold them to situations they/we are now in.

    For most people...it gets easier. Just don't make a big thing our of it and do your head in is my advice
    I don't know why I do it to be honest. Maybe I'm just too nice I don't know.
    Everyone goes through ups and downs in life and every situation whether good or bad will make you a better person in some way or form. What situation were you in before that had you go through a bit of a whinge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HangNin View Post
    LOL....well of course it was meaningless to ME.....kidding aside, my point was there never was any kind of 'romantic' relationship between you. You had a crush on her and she didn't feel the same. Understandable that would be disappointing and hurt your feelings some, but there was no relationship to 'move on' FROM. To avoid this in the future maybe you shouldn't invest so much before you know how the girl feels about you......JMO
    Yeah there wasn't any kind of 'romantic' relationship between us yet. . . but there was still some kind of relationship and that was our friendship to one and another. Yes, I did have a crush on her a huge crush for that matter. Having your feelings hurt sucks big time but what sucks the most is just her running away and disappearing. It's hard to fully understand if you weren't there to see how everything and the events that made it come together.

    The night that I told her how my true feelings for her... I was fully confident in myself and I wouldn't of even did all of that if I didn't think she would feel the same way. It was still a 50/50 situation hit or miss but I did it anyway.
    There was so many signs and little things that made me believe that maybe just maybe she was feeling me too. . . I know she was feeling me too she said it herself that same night when she cried.

    I've never made another female cry before especially not like that. Girls don't cry for no reason unless it means something. She told me that I wasn't like other guys and she should give it a try and let herself open up and love again and was glad that we met. Feelings can change quick and that's probably what happened. Girl got scared and she cut me off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stilletto View Post
    I'd say just pace yourself, and don't close yourself off to other opportunities. And, be patient... It will happen someday.

    Refreshing that a guy has so much to say about stuff like this; I didn't think many guys actually felt or thought that deep.

    If you never take a chance, you never get the experience. It's a 50/50 thing, with whether she'll respond in a manner jubilant to you in contacting her.

    If I was a guy, I'd make sure I'd keep me on her mind if you like her that much.
    So your saying if you were in this situation, you would contact her?

    I have nothing to lose except my own personal pride and rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araab-Muzik View Post
    So your saying if you were in this situation, you would contact her?

    I have nothing to lose except my own personal pride and rep.
    Do what you feel is right and natural.

    In regards to your own personal pride, sometimes it can get in the way. Really now, let the ego go, just be real with yourself and others. That's pretty much what it is all about. Whether you contact her or not, isn't the point I dont think anymore. But, if you feel like you want too, why not?
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