where the hell are you guys looking?

[thedunhill225]

I read threads and posts all the time here about how hard it is to find a good woman...how all women now are this or that...where you guys looking? I have never had a problem finding attractive quality women. Every woman I DATED has has been a good woman...not perfect but kind, nice, attractive, smart, etc... most were better people than me. Sure I've had relations with women based on looks only but Ive never DATED based on looks only. Am I the only one left that has always found good women? Am I oddly lucky or something? I don't really think I am. So...where you guys looking?

[scuba-dave]

I'm in the same boat, never had problems.
most people you can read they don't turn bad they were already like that but guys over look that cause of looks,then they want the person to change you cant change people
they might improve but thats it..
just like guys a jerk is always going to be a jerk..
follow your instincts those first clues are true......
IMO the problem is that most guys settle for what ever they can get, instead of going after what you really want. most guys here can't accept rejection just brush it off if she rejects don't wast your time thinking about it instead go for the next one eventually one will like you. it could be that they are good women and already have a husband or boyfriend so don't feel bad and just keep trying..
most guys here are based on looks and won't go after the ladies they wait for the girl to give them the first hint or come on to them, but guess what those are mostly the bad once. if you really want something you have to go after it..
most likely the girl that you have to work harder to get is a more intellectual smarter women with better morals and beginnings... there is alot of beautiful intelligent women out there and they are with butt ugly guys cause that ugly guy went after her and persuade her cause he has nothing to lose and he is used to rejection.. I know I'm one of them and I have an intelligent, smart,educated, beautiful women....

don't take rejection so personal cause at the end you did not lose nothing. rejection means nothing
cause you didn't have nothing before you tried. now atleast you tried.....

[AllLoadedUp]

I'm in the same boat, never had problems.
most people you can read they don't turn bad they were already like that but guys over look that cause of looks,then they want the person to change you cant change people
they might improve but thats it..
just like guys a jerk is always going to be a jerk..
follow your instincts those first clues are true......
IMO the problem is that most guys settle for what ever they can get, instead of going after what you really want. most guys here can't accept rejection just brush it off if she rejects don't wast your time thinking about it instead go for the next one eventually one will like you. it could be that they are good women and already have a husband or boyfriend so don't feel bad and just keep trying..
most guys here are based on looks and won't go after the ladies they wait for the girl to give them the first hint or come on to them, but guess what those are mostly the bad once. if you really want something you have to go after it..
most likely the girl that you have to work harder to get is a more intellectual smarter women with better morals and beginnings... there is alot of beautiful intelligent women out there and they are with butt ugly guys cause that ugly guy went after her and persuade her cause he has nothing to lose and he is used to rejection.. I know I'm one of them and I have an intelligent, smart,educated, beautiful women....

don't take rejection so personal cause at the end you did not lose nothing. rejection means nothing
cause you didn't have nothing before you tried. now atleast you tried.....

I totally agree with this and have the same attitude. I mean no guy on earth has been rejected more than me. I think my percentage is oh about 99.999999%. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I mean one day I just walked up to this woman in Wally World and told her I thought she was attractive so I wanted to come over and introduce myself. It didn't work of course. Which was no surprise. She said she had a boyfriend. Probably didn't but hell I had a 50/50 shot at her. She did say she liked my approach. I just don't give a fuck. I've been told that shows confidence and that women go wet from that. But it sure as hell never does me any good. Oh well.

[dolphin1]

I'm in the same boat, never had problems.
most people you can read they don't turn bad they were already like that but guys over look that cause of looks,then they want the person to change you cant change people
they might improve but thats it..
just like guys a jerk is always going to be a jerk..
follow your instincts those first clues are true......
IMO the problem is that most guys settle for what ever they can get, instead of going after what you really want. most guys here can't accept rejection just brush it off if she rejects don't wast your time thinking about it instead go for the next one eventually one will like you. it could be that they are good women and already have a husband or boyfriend so don't feel bad and just keep trying..
most guys here are based on looks and won't go after the ladies they wait for the girl to give them the first hint or come on to them, but guess what those are mostly the bad once. if you really want something you have to go after it..
most likely the girl that you have to work harder to get is a more intellectual smarter women with better morals and beginnings... there is alot of beautiful intelligent women out there and they are with butt ugly guys cause that ugly guy went after her and persuade her cause he has nothing to lose and he is used to rejection.. I know I'm one of them and I have an intelligent, smart,educated, beautiful women....

don't take rejection so personal cause at the end you did not lose nothing. rejection means nothing
cause you didn't have nothing before you tried. now atleast you tried.....

I'm one of those Butt ugly knuckle dragging guys and while I have had my fair share of wonderful and beautiful women, I am not looking now, I have two kids who need to be raised, and a relationship with a woman or women will just add unnecessary complexity in that process, so until I get my young'ns all growed up I guess I'll just be off the market.
Sorry girls like a fine wine it just gets better with age. (Or maybe turns to vinegar)

[Kalika]

Not really looking now, when the right one comes across my path, then it's long term. Fuckin them and chuckin them gets old. I want children and a wife.

[carbs]

Not really looking now, when the right one comes across my path, then it's long term. Fuckin them and chuckin them gets old. I want children and a wife.

i hear you... but being with the same one for a long time gets old aswell..

[Thiago]

I'm one of those Butt ugly knuckle dragging guys and while I have had my fair share of wonderful and beautiful women, I am not looking now, I have two kids who need to be raised, and a relationship with a woman or women will just add unnecessary complexity in that process, so until I get my young'ns all growed up I guess I'll just be off the market.
Sorry girls like a fine wine it just gets better with age. (Or maybe turns to vinegar)

Good luck to you, sir. You have your priorities in order!

[HangNin]

I think that the few guys on here who consistently complain about the poor selection of women they encounter are the guys who were 'late bloomers' and/or didn't have lots of girlfriends from middle school on. Personally, I was a serial LT dater with my first real boyfriend at 13 to 16....and then usually dated the next ones for 2-3 years.
I think those that missed out on dating when they were young are the ones who have trouble with relationships as they get older....JMO

[AllLoadedUp]

I think that the few guys on here who consistently complain about the poor selection of women they encounter are the guys who were 'late bloomers' and/or didn't have lots of girlfriends from middle school on. Personally, I was a serial LT dater with my first real boyfriend at 13 to 16....and then usually dated the next ones for 2-3 years.
I think those that missed out on dating when they were young are the ones who have trouble with relationships as they get older....JMO

I agree and disagree with this. I agree in that it does describe me fairly close. But I disagree in that if I had been in a relationship when I was younger, before emotional maturity and getting my bi-polar addressed, then they would all have been disasters. So I think I have far better relationship skills now than I would have had then.

[deathknell3000]

I think that the few guys on here who consistently complain about the poor selection of women they encounter are the guys who were 'late bloomers' and/or didn't have lots of girlfriends from middle school on. I think those that missed out on dating when they were young are the ones who have trouble with relationships as they get older....JMO

You are correct but there's more to it. It isn't a lack of social skills. It's just that people want different things out of a relationship at different points in their lives. If one misses the early relationships, it's hard to leave that all behind and just transition to the next level.

I was very shy and a late bloomer. Girls hold guys to hard standards in their teens and early twenties. I don't hold a grudge...... I just hold them now to the same standards that they held me to then.

I'm in shape so I don't put up with fat or out of shape women. I have no kids so I don't want a woman who has kids or whose body is damaged by having kids. I have been selective in my sexual partners so I don't choose women who have slept around too much. I don't drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs so I don't want women who have abused these things. I haven't been married so I'd prefer a woman who hasn't had multiple divorces.

When someone tells me that I'm being unrealistic, my reply is that I'm not asking for anything that I don't bring to the table myself. That usually ends the conversation.

[Pacesetter]

I was very shy and a late bloomer. Girls hold guys to hard standards in their teens and early twenties. I don't hold a grudge...... I just hold them now to the same standards that they held me to then.

I'm in shape so I don't put up with fat or out of shape women. I have no kids so I don't want a woman who has kids or whose body is damaged by having kids. I have been selective in my sexual partners so I don't choose women who have slept around too much. I don't drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs so I don't want women who have abused these things. I haven't been married so I'd prefer a woman who hasn't had multiple divorces.

When someone tells me that I'm being unrealistic, my reply is that I'm not asking for anything that I don't bring to the table myself. That usually ends the conversation.

I like that, really well said. I never saw it quite that way but now you mention it, I can see this is what I do as well with particular reference to your point about holding them to the same, or similar, standard. This is probably why I get really shitty (even though I know I shouldn't) at the few bloody overweight middle-aged women, who make absolutely no effort, one a smoker, who were recently hitting on me at work, quite aggressively so.

[deathknell3000]

I like that, really well said. I never saw it quite that way but now you mention it, I can see this is what I do as well with particular reference to your point about holding them to the same, or similar, standard. This is probably why I get really shitty (even though I know I shouldn't) at the few bloody overweight middle-aged women, who make absolutely no effort, one a smoker, who were recently hitting on me at work, quite aggressively so.

Yep!

I think these women look in the mirror and see themselves the way they looked in high school.

As arrogant as it sounds, I feel insulted when women like this hit on me because I feel like I deserve better. They don't deserve a guy like me. I've busted my ass to be who I am while they set their lazy, fat asses on cruise control for the last couple of decades. Most of them were really good looking when they were young but that day is gone. They need a reality check.

Just like they thought they were too good for guys like me 20 years ago, now I feel like I deserve better than them.

[halloween]

Yep!

I think these women look in the mirror and see themselves the way they looked in high school.

As arrogant as it sounds, I feel insulted when women like this hit on me because I feel like I deserve better. They don't deserve a guy like me. I've busted my ass to be who I am while they set their lazy, fat asses on cruise control for the last couple of decades. Most of them were really good looking when they were young but that day is gone. They need a reality check.

Just like they thought they were too good for guys like me 20 years ago, now I feel like I deserve better than them.

LMAO i rejected a girl at a club a few weeks ago she got all pissed hahah im saying to myself fuck you bitch ... some girls have fun trying to put guys down rejecting them this and that but watch out if they get rejected !!!! love it

[AllLoadedUp]

You are correct but there's more to it. It isn't a lack of social skills. It's just that people want different things out of a relationship at different points in their lives. If one misses the early relationships, it's hard to leave that all behind and just transition to the next level.

I was very shy and a late bloomer. Girls hold guys to hard standards in their teens and early twenties. I don't hold a grudge...... I just hold them now to the same standards that they held me to then.

I'm in shape so I don't put up with fat or out of shape women. I have no kids so I don't want a woman who has kids or whose body is damaged by having kids. I have been selective in my sexual partners so I don't choose women who have slept around too much. I don't drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs so I don't want women who have abused these things. I haven't been married so I'd prefer a woman who hasn't had multiple divorces.

When someone tells me that I'm being unrealistic, my reply is that I'm not asking for anything that I don't bring to the table myself. That usually ends the conversation.

Bravo, Bravo, DK. I say the exact same thing also. I can't tell you how many times I have told family, friends and just anybody that I'm not asking for anything I don't bring to the table myself. Whats so funny is when you say that they either can't say a word or just say 'well there is a girl like that out there and you will meet her". I'm like "really, where is she in Cambodia"?

[deathknell3000]

Bravo, Bravo, DK. I say the exact same thing also. I can't tell you how many times I have told family, friends and just anybody that I'm not asking for anything I don't bring to the table myself. Whats so funny is when you say that they either can't say a word or just say 'well there is a girl like that out there and you will meet her". I'm like "really, where is she in Cambodia"?

The typical response I've gotten in the past from women is, "You're going to live a very lonely life..."

They just don't seem to get that this alternative is far more attractive than the thought of a future with them. Maybe if they had thought more like me, they wouldn't have flushed most of their life down the toilet and worn out their uteruses(sp?) on Mr. Wrong....

[halloween]

I think that the few guys on here who consistently complain about the poor selection of women they encounter are the guys who were 'late bloomers' and/or didn't have lots of girlfriends from middle school on. Personally, I was a serial LT dater with my first real boyfriend at 13 to 16....and then usually dated the next ones for 2-3 years.
I think those that missed out on dating when they were young are the ones who have trouble with relationships as they get older....JMO

i agree you gotta start young developing them social skills and know how to handle people from day 1

[Pacesetter]

I have a major problem with rejection and "putting myself out there". I'm not one to say all women are this or that because where I live, there are seemingly lots of nice chicks. I've encountered a couple that have been problematic but I don't let that cloud my judgment to the extent I become entirely cynical of the female gender, though I do and prefer to be far more cautious, probably unfortunately to the point that I never try. I've still got a couple of things that should be sorted through as well.

[scuba-dave]

I have a major problem with rejection and "putting myself out there". I'm not one to say all women are this or that because where I live, there are seemingly lots of nice chicks. I've encountered a couple that have been problematic but I don't let that cloud my judgment to the extent I become entirely cynical of the female gender, though I do and prefer to be far more cautious, probably unfortunately to the point that I never try. I've still got a couple of things that should be sorted through as well.

guys need to get over that fear of rejection just like you got over the fear of needless you know test e,c,sust etc...
listen you don't know that girl and she probably doesn't know you so nobody will know that you put yourself out there,and if it's pride then leave that at home when you're going hunting for girls....
one day I just woke up and said fuck it I'm going to get me a girl today.
listen wake up and dedicate one day just for that prepare yourself and don't act like you would normally act..
think of yourself as something great and if the girl says no.
then take it as she could of had a great person in her life and aim for the next girl.. alot of guys here say that they think that way and that it's the girls lost,flat out bullshit they are just bullshitting themselves they took it to the heart or personal if not they would still be hunting or found a girl that met their standards. so grow some balls and go get her.don't let aas take all your balls away... I read something that said for every men that are born there is ten women being born to that one boy.. but I'm thinking how about the men that turn gay,the ones that go to war, and the ones that go to jail that leaves more fishes in the ocean for us..hahaha..
and people don't give the excuse that you live in some fuck up unpopulated village then drive to the city or a more populated village and use your charming ways....

[Pacesetter]

guys need to get over that fear of rejection just like you got over the fear of needless you know test e,c,sust etc...
listen you don't know that girl and she probably doesn't know you so nobody will know that you put yourself out there,and if it's pride then leave that at home when you're going hunting for girls....
one day I just woke up and said fuck it I'm going to get me a girl today.
listen wake up and dedicate one day just for that prepare yourself and don't act like you would normally act..
think of yourself as something great and if the girl says no.
then take it as she could of had a great person in her life and aim for the next girl.. alot of guys here say that they think that way and that it's the girls lost,flat out bullshit they are just bullshitting themselves they took it to the heart or personal if not they would still be hunting or found a girl that met their standards. so grow some balls and go get her.don't let aas take all your balls away... I read something that said for every men that are born there is ten women being born to that one boy.. but I'm thinking how about the men that turn gay,the ones that go to war, and the ones that go to jail that leaves more fishes in the ocean for us..hahaha..
and people don't give the excuse that you live in some fuck up unpopulated village then drive to the city or a more populated village and use your charming ways....

Hey scuba thanks for the advice and tips.

[AllLoadedUp]

I read threads and posts all the time here about how hard it is to find a good woman...how all women now are this or that...where you guys looking? I have never had a problem finding attractive quality women. Every woman I DATED has has been a good woman...not perfect but kind, nice, attractive, smart, etc... most were better people than me. Sure I've had relations with women based on looks only but Ive never DATED based on looks only. Am I the only one left that has always found good women? Am I oddly lucky or something? I don't really think I am. So...where you guys looking?

I freely admit I don't look really. But my complaint is never that I can't meet a woman. Its that I can't meet a woman that I find physically attractive and she also finds me physically attractive. Other than online like POF where can you meet a woman? Basically its one place clubs/bars. That is just it. Monday-Friday I work and have the gym. I am off on weekends. And the clubs/bars are the only place to meet someone on the weekend. I just don't wanna go there. Its expensive and boring. Not to mention there is like 20 guys for every one girl it always seems and I'm not gonna be one of the panting dogs waiting to get my shot at some girl. I have too much self-respect for that. It just gets old is all.

Oh and yes you have been very lucky it seems.

[WhoDatNation]

I freely admit I don't look really. But my complaint is never that I can't meet a woman. Its that I can't meet a woman that I find physically attractive and she also finds me physically attractive. Other than online like POF where can you meet a woman? Basically its one place clubs/bars. That is just it. Monday-Friday I work and have the gym. I am off on weekends. And the clubs/bars are the only place to meet someone on the weekend. I just don't wanna go there. Its expensive and boring. Not to mention there is like 20 guys for every one girl it always seems and I'm not gonna be one of the panting dogs waiting to get my shot at some girl. I have too much self-respect for that. It just gets old is all.

Oh and yes you have been very lucky it seems.

Who says weekends and bar/clubs are the only time/place to meet chicks? That is actually the complete opposite times and places where I meet chicks because most of those are the "bad ones" anyway. Dude, you can find chicks basically ANYWHERE. Right place/right time. I'm talkin at the gas pump, grocery store, bookstore(very good one, most are single girls in college or fresh out of college), restaraunts, etc.

You can't spend your whole life with that attitude. Scuba said it best and totally agree with everything he said. EVERYONE gets rejected once or twice and for most of us, more times than that. It's all about how you deal with it. Dwell on the rejections and you can never get a girl. It all goes back to confidence.Trust me, decent, level headed, attractive girls are looking for a lot more than looks. It took me a while to understand this all, but it makes sense to me now. I remember seeing a chick at random places and saying to myself, damn, I wish I could get that chick, but never acted on it. Because I didn't ever approach chicks, I never had a shot with them because they won't approach you either, thats your job.

[AllLoadedUp]

Who says weekends and bar/clubs are the only time/place to meet chicks? That is actually the complete opposite times and places where I meet chicks because most of those are the "bad ones" anyway. Dude, you can find chicks basically ANYWHERE. Right place/right time. I'm talkin at the gas pump, grocery store, bookstore(very good one, most are single girls in college or fresh out of college), restaraunts, etc.

You can't spend your whole life with that attitude. Scuba said it best and totally agree with everything he said. EVERYONE gets rejected once or twice and for most of us, more times than that. It's all about how you deal with it. Dwell on the rejections and you can never get a girl. It all goes back to confidence.Trust me, decent, level headed, attractive girls are looking for a lot more than looks. It took me a while to understand this all, but it makes sense to me now. I remember seeing a chick at random places and saying to myself, damn, I wish I could get that chick, but never acted on it. Because I didn't ever approach chicks, I never had a shot with them because they won't approach you either, thats your job.

Did you happen to read my reply to Scuba above? Confidence is the least of my issues.

[scuba-dave]

Did you happen to read my reply to Scuba above? Confidence is the least of my issues.

to much confidence could sometimes turn into cocky.
confidence is good not consided.
don't be full of yourself remember it's about her at the beginning..
believe me if you look good and feel like the girls your getting don't look that great then you must not look all that great either just saying that what you feel like your bringing to the table must not be all that.. you need to humble yourself first, women don't like cocky jerkish type guys..
there are many women out there that look better than you no matter how good you look..
some even have higher standards than you do so don't tell me that there isn't a women out there for you cause that's just not true...
also you will never find the perfect princess out there that will do and say exactly what you want. only in fairytales or books she will be there....
everybody is going to have something you don't like
and if your not welling to work with a person then you will never find that girl, that's what a relationship is all about,
if you don't like the hassle of working things out with a girl then my friend you're going to be a lonely guy for a long time. continue doing things your way and you will never find that girl.....
same applies to women they will never find that blue prince cause he doesn't exist,
everybody got issues even if it's a small one LOL..

don't get me wrong if you know you look some what attractive then you could get that girl with or with out high standards even if you don't have alot to bring to the table and if you do have alot to bring to the table then you shouldn't have a problem.. ask yourself what are you doing wrong, all the good women out there cant all be crazy..
so judge yourself from the outside, if that makes sense and see what you would dislike from a guy like you.
you have to see outside of yourself and be your wurst critique. you have to see past yourself confidence..
if you cant do that then have somebody help you and tell you what they don't like of you and don't take it personal,
take it as a positive challenge like weight lifting.

[AllLoadedUp]

to much confidence could sometimes turn into cocky.
confidence is good not consided.
don't be full of yourself remember it's about her at the beginning..
believe me if you look good and feel like the girls your getting don't look that great then you must not look all that great either just saying that what you feel like your bringing to the table must not be all that.. you need to humble yourself first, women don't like cocky jerkish type guys..
there are many women out there that look better than you no matter how good you look..
some even have higher standards than you do so don't tell me that there isn't a women out there for you cause that's just not true...
also you will never find the perfect princess out there that will do and say exactly what you want. only in fairytales or books she will be there....
everybody is going to have something you don't like
and if your not welling to work with a person then you will never find that girl, that's what a relationship is all about,
if you don't like the hassle of working things out with a girl then my friend you're going to be a lonely guy for a long time. continue doing things your way and you will never find that girl.....
same applies to women they will never find that blue prince cause he doesn't exist,
everybody got issues even if it's a small one LOL..

don't get me wrong if you know you look some what attractive then you could get that girl with or with out high standards even if you don't have alot to bring to the table and if you do have alot to bring to the table then you shouldn't have a problem.. ask yourself what are you doing wrong, all the good women out there cant all be crazy..
so judge yourself from the outside, if that makes sense and see what you would dislike from a guy like you.
you have to see outside of yourself and be your wurst critique. you have to see past yourself confidence..
if you cant do that then have somebody help you and tell you what they don't like of you and don't take it personal,
take it as a positive challenge like weight lifting.

Dude, "women don't like cocky, jerkish type guys". Are you kidding me? Thats all they like. If your nice to a woman then they will see you as the lowest form of scum on the earth. They will view you as lower than a pedophile. When I've been a cocky jerk to women they want my dick in like 2 seconds. When I'm nice to them they want nothing to do with me. You don't know what your talking about.

[thedunhill225]

I freely admit I don't look really. But my complaint is never that I can't meet a woman. Its that I can't meet a woman that I find physically attractive and she also finds me physically attractive. Other than online like POF where can you meet a woman? Basically its one place clubs/bars. That is just it. Monday-Friday I work and have the gym. I am off on weekends. And the clubs/bars are the only place to meet someone on the weekend. I just don't wanna go there. Its expensive and boring. Not to mention there is like 20 guys for every one girl it always seems and I'm not gonna be one of the panting dogs waiting to get my shot at some girl. I have too much self-respect for that. It just gets old is all.

Oh and yes you have been very lucky it seems.

ALU, there are plenty of places to meet women... I have "dated" one girl I met hanging out in a bar (I have dated customers that I got to know and other bartenders/servers also). But I've also dated girls from school, work, the mall, the deli, a chat line, on-line, the gym, etc... there are so many places. Now if I were you and fitness is important to you then every Saturday I would take a diff class... yoga one week, cardio boxing another, etc... and id LAUGH at myself and take the whole exp as a chance to have fun and meet PEOPLE with similar interests... you do that with the rt attitude and you'll have dates directly or through the people you meet. ah... sorry I know you aint asking for advice.
BTW, try match.com instead of pof... that's how I met my fiance...been together almost 2.5 years now.

[WhoDatNation]

ALU, there are plenty of places to meet women... I have "dated" one girl I met hanging out in a bar (I have dated customers that I got to know and other bartenders/servers also). But I've also dated girls from school, work, the mall, the deli, a chat line, on-line, the gym, etc... there are so many places. Now if I were you and fitness is important to you then every Saturday I would take a diff class... yoga one week, cardio boxing another, etc... and id LAUGH at myself and take the whole exp as a chance to have fun and meet PEOPLE with similar interests... you do that with the rt attitude and you'll have dates directly or through the people you meet. ah... sorry I know you aint asking for advice.
BTW, try match.com instead of pof... that's how I met my fiance...been together almost 2.5 years now.

I've been kind of curious about those online dating sites myself. Never gave one a shot, but are they pretty legit? I mean how many chicks did you communicate with that turned out to be fake. I just think it would be kind of awkward situation?

[AllLoadedUp]

I've been kind of curious about those online dating sites myself. Never gave one a shot, but are they pretty legit? I mean how many chicks did you communicate with that turned out to be fake. I just think it would be kind of awkward situation?

Its basically a joke really. Here is what i have figured out about it. Most of the women on there are already in miserable relationships and they use the online sites to just find a nice guy to talk to. They are too weak to get out of the terrible relationship they are in so they use the guys they meet online to try and fullfill the lack of emotional happiness in their relationship.

Aside from that. Any remotely attractive woman on there gets between 30-50 messages a day. Its basically overwhelming for them. There is I would estimate 20-30 guys for every one girl on a site. So women can basically just pick and choose as they wish. So unless you are really good-looking don't expect to have any dates with any good-looking women from online. Its basically the same as in the real world. Women pick and choose what they want and men just have to take what they can get or do without. YMMV.

[thedunhill225]

I've been kind of curious about those online dating sites myself. Never gave one a shot, but are they pretty legit? I mean how many chicks did you communicate with that turned out to be fake. I just think it would be kind of awkward situation?

Communicate with on the phone was prob 5-6, go out on a date with was 3. Actually not that awkward at all. My plan was always to have at least 3-4 conversations before meeting one... you get an IDEA how real someone is pretty quick when you are on the phone and not distracted by their (fill in body part). Is urge anyone to be as honest as they can be up front and have accurate up to date pics... you want the same rt? Eharmony and match is way different people than pof.

[AllLoadedUp]

ALU, there are plenty of places to meet women... I have "dated" one girl I met hanging out in a bar (I have dated customers that I got to know and other bartenders/servers also). But I've also dated girls from school, work, the mall, the deli, a chat line, on-line, the gym, etc... there are so many places. Now if I were you and fitness is important to you then every Saturday I would take a diff class... yoga one week, cardio boxing another, etc... and id LAUGH at myself and take the whole exp as a chance to have fun and meet PEOPLE with similar interests... you do that with the rt attitude and you'll have dates directly or through the people you meet. ah... sorry I know you aint asking for advice.
BTW, try match.com instead of pof... that's how I met my fiance...been together almost 2.5 years now.

Well I don't go to school, no women at my work, not about to walk around the mall looking for women, only thing in the deli are fat chicks, only thing on chat-lines are chicks with their own web-sites trying to get you to pay to talk to them, and I think I have discussed the online dating thing enough on here. I do appreciate your help Dun. I pretty much already know all of that though.

Oh and as far as the gym goes. I live in a small town and get to the gym usually around 10:30 at night. There might be 4 people in there around then. And trust me if one of those people is a female she is in no way attractive. Thats why she comes that late at night so no one will see her. And besides I have a hooded sweatshirt on and my headphones and have no desire to talk to anyone when I am working out. I'm all business in the gym.

[thedunhill225]

Dk3000 and ALU, you have every right to look for whatever you want but, just me here, I've never wanted someone that "brought all the same things to the table"... I got a mirror for that.

ALU, I never went to those place LOOKING for a girl.... when I was single I was just always open to the possibilities. Oh and as I said match is WAY diff than pof.

If your happy great for you but from old and recent posts its obvious you want a relationship so understand nothing I'm saying is meant In any way but possitive but do you want to be right... justified...consistent... or do you wanna be happy? Do what you want bro but I think the classes once a week is more than reasonable for someone looking to meet women (or something similar)... if you wanna meet "X" type of women then you gotta go where "X" type of women go.

[TheManlord]

the way I see it, you eather have it or you dont, with just about any competitive objective on the planet that people want. It could be making money, picking up women, finding quality women to date. Some people just struggle, and some people just have a knack for it.

[Pacesetter]

the way I see it, you eather have it or you dont, with just about any competitive objective on the planet that people want. It could be making money, picking up women, finding quality women to date. Some people just struggle, and some people just have a knack for it.

Like I have said before, lots of people work hard, but how many are multi-millionaires? Very few.

There are more than a few people though that have managed to turn things around in their dating world, probably like some turn things around in the financial world I guess.

[MaNiFeSt]

the way I see it, you eather have it or you dont, with just about any competitive objective on the planet that people want. It could be making money, picking up women, finding quality women to date. Some people just struggle, and some people just have a knack for it.

good point! i have friends that i would not consider good looking guys at all, yet they are constantly dating very attractive woman all the time. they just have a knack for it and portray a level of confidence that woman find attractive.

the same goes for successful businessman/entrepreneurs. some people just have a knack for making fucking money.

[Thiago]

the way I see it, you eather have it or you dont, with just about any competitive objective on the planet that people want. It could be making money, picking up women, finding quality women to date. Some people just struggle, and some people just have a knack for it.

In business, for example, if man x and man y perform the same duties to the same level of skill, they could both reasonably expect outcome n.

In relationship matters, if man x and man y perform the same duties with woman n, it is likely that there will not be the same outcome. That is because the other person can not be controlled for; their reactions, actions, thoughts, feelings, past, emotions, relatives, friends, etc.

So the analogy of trying hard or just having it isnt valid here.

[HangNin]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

-Albert Einstein


just sayin......

[WhoDatNation]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

-Albert Einstein


just sayin......

Einstein was a joke.

[HangNin]

Einstein was a joke.

regardless of your opinion of who said it, it's true.

[MaNiFeSt]

i've met some girls at bars here and there, but the bottom line is i need to find someone that is fitness oriented, one way or another.

one of the best relationships i've had was when i dated a figure competator my last year in college. we just clicked immediately because we were on the same page when it came to working out, eating right, etc... its a fucking lifestyle and unless your significant other practices a similar lifestyle, they will never understand what its all about and it will ultimately cause problems in the relationship.

i've dated girls that werent into working out and they used to give me shit all the time for going to the gym instead of spending time with them.

needless to say, i didnt date them long.

[deathknell3000]

i've dated girls that werent into working out and they used to give me shit all the time for going to the gym instead of spending time with them.

needless to say, i didnt date them long.

They like the way you look but don't like what it takes to get there. That's the reason why most of that type end up as fat slobs.

Back in college, I had a girlfriend who threw herself at me to win me over but then got mad when I spent time working out. She said that she couldn't see why I wasted time working out since I didn't play football.

[2legit2quit]

It doesn't matter where you look, you aren't likely to find the person who is "right" for you until you are "right" with yourself.