The myth of "legit" anabolics

[STAYHNGRY]

We should put to rest the idea that there are legitimate steroids out there and you only have to look at the label close enough to identify them. Bullshit. Even if you have steroids from a "real" pharmacy overseas, it means that the governing bodies of that country are letting thousands of ampoules and vials slip out the back door into the black market. So if the governing body of these countries is willing to "look the other way" about pharmaceutical steroids slipping out the back door, they certainly would look the other way when it came to dosage and sterile manufacturing conditions. Doesn't anyone wonder why you never see American steroids on the black market? When was the last time you saw OXANDRIN by BTG? Never. Because our FDA monitors sales and production. Other countries do not. So don't get so excited when you see the correct imprint on a Shering Ampoule or a precise hologram or top on a Deca vial from Norma. Any way you look at it, it is not legit. Notice I am not saying it is not REAL. There is a big difference between legit and real. Many anabolics around the world are REAL, correctly dosed, sterile,etc. But don't get that warm fuzzy feeling when you think you have something that just came off of a pharmacy wall. If whatever governing body let's anabolics just flow out the backdoor with no prescription or accountability, they certainly are not taking the time and money to make sure its clean, safe and correctly dosed. This is an underground game, and those that pretend that they only deal with "legit human" gear from pharmacies are just lying to themselves. There is ONE type of steroid that is completely 100% legit and that is an American Steroid. If you have a script, walk into an American pharmacy and get your script for anabolics filled, you have legit gear. Otherwise, stop lying to yourself and just take your chances with whatever you can get. There are plenty of safe and real anabolics out there. Just don't pretend they are legit pharmaceuticals.

[spl6hrc]

Unless, of course, you've got the super duper special hook up because your next door neighbors brothers cousins second wife's best friend plays booger ball in Tasmania

[taba]

This is one reason why you see post where back in the day first time cycles were with 250mg of test and now its 500mg and something else added. Because back then it was the real deal, human grade and only hg that was around back then. No UG only Mex vet stuff that was considered UG back them.

[microzide]

My stuff is all legit. I always do the taste test!

[Enigma]

doesnt the US supply some other countries too though?

[jassal]

I agree with that but bro it cant be true for all UG labs some here in down under supply real good stuff, correctly dosed, sterelised..

[anaheim]

I understand to a certain point what you are saying, the methods of counterfiting have become so good that really, anymore its hard to tell because rarely there is no deveation.
I do agree, but believe me, there is real pharm grade gear out there and yes it is real. People who sell junk bunk, in the long run, get known for what they peddle and its very hard to run a business with a bunch of dissatisfied customers, word gets around. But let me reach out a little further and say just for "entertainment purposes" and I am just using this as an example, and none of it is to be taken literally, now say I have a friend who lives in England and also out East. He is very well connected and I have known him for almost 18 years now, he has had his same guys(suppliers) for over 20 years now. And that he buys most of his gear DIRECTLY from the factory-its not hard to do, you just have to be in a country where anabolics are legal. All human grade amps, tabs from the Iran chemical company and pakistan, and on and on. How he gets them home I do not know since this is just a story to lend an example. Don't get mad and I don't want to start another internet "fight" but don't tell me just because you aren't resourceful enough or can't obtain what you want for any of the many reasons I could state, that everyone is in the same boat as you and that if its like that for you it must be like that for everyone else......To tell you the truth bro, when I saw this thread I just chuckled to myself. Go to the Nationals this year and watch the mens open class, then tell me there is no more "real" human grade anabolics around. The truth is, there is, you are just not on the recieving end of any LOL.....

[Xanthine]

I agree with that but bro it cant be true for all UG labs some here in down under supply real good stuff, correctly dosed, sterelised..

He is not talking about UG labs.

[Xanthine]

If whatever governing body let's anabolics just flow out the backdoor with no prescription or accountability, they certainly are not taking the time and money to make sure its clean, safe and correctly dosed.

Not necessarily; it is entirely possible to enforce and regulate health and safety measures and standards that would otherwise impact on the local market/constituents, whilst being corrupt in distribution.

Your point is well taken though... that we only get these supplies because of endemic corruption in high places and to keep that in mind when the word trust is bandied about.

Trust is relative.

There is ONE type of steroid that is completely 100% legit and that is an American Steroid

Not sure how you came up with that? American Steroids are not even sold in Australia for example and as this is an international board, why would you say that seeing as 95% of the world is not going to have a prescription filled with American made steroids either?

Sounds like you just got burned badly in a deal man?

[STAYHNGRY]

[QUOTE=Xanthine;884928]Not necessarily; it is entirely possible to enforce and regulate health and safety measures and standards that would otherwise impact on the local market/constituents, whilst being corrupt in distribution.

Your point is well taken though... that we only get these supplies because of endemic corruption in high places and to keep that in mind when the word trust is bandied about.

Trust is relative.



Of course, anything is "possible" and that is what most bodybuilders rely on nowadays. We "hope" because of someone's reputation or a countries reputation that our gear is real. But that is not legit gear. It may be real, but not legit. Bottom line point I am making is that unless you have a prescription, you have anabolics in your hand because of CORRUPTION. Someone skirted around a mandatory prescription, smuggled out of a backdoor, or a country itself just looked the other way.etc. My point is that if someone is corrupt in ONE area, we MUST as reasonable intelligent adults assume that they would be corrupt in another area. You are suggesting that companies around the world are blatantly letting gear flow out the back door of pharmacies illegally with no prescription to make money, but then they are paying THOUSANDS of dollars to test each batch and monitor sanitary manufacturing conditions? That is a ridiculous belief but if you believe that, it's obviously your prerogative.

[Manolo]

Same with X-Box games. If you get them from China you ARE NOT GETTING LEGIT GAMES.

[Nibbe]

^^
Noway!

[Mole]

We should put to rest the idea that there are legitimate steroids out there and you only have to look at the label close enough to identify them. Bullshit. Even if you have steroids from a "real" pharmacy overseas, it means that the governing bodies of that country are letting thousands of ampoules and vials slip out the back door into the black market. So if the governing body of these countries is willing to "look the other way" about pharmaceutical steroids slipping out the back door, they certainly would look the other way when it came to dosage and sterile manufacturing conditions. Doesn't anyone wonder why you never see American steroids on the black market? When was the last time you saw OXANDRIN by BTG? Never. Because our FDA monitors sales and production. Other countries do not. So don't get so excited when you see the correct imprint on a Shering Ampoule or a precise hologram or top on a Deca vial from Norma. Any way you look at it, it is not legit. Notice I am not saying it is not REAL. There is a big difference between legit and real. Many anabolics around the world are REAL, correctly dosed, sterile,etc. But don't get that warm fuzzy feeling when you think you have something that just came off of a pharmacy wall. If whatever governing body let's anabolics just flow out the backdoor with no prescription or accountability, they certainly are not taking the time and money to make sure its clean, safe and correctly dosed. This is an underground game, and those that pretend that they only deal with "legit human" gear from pharmacies are just lying to themselves. There is ONE type of steroid that is completely 100% legit and that is an American Steroid. If you have a script, walk into an American pharmacy and get your script for anabolics filled, you have legit gear. Otherwise, stop lying to yourself and just take your chances with whatever you can get. There are plenty of safe and real anabolics out there. Just don't pretend they are legit pharmaceuticals.

I see your point but you're missing one VERY important point. Unlike the US, Canada, OZ and UK anabolics are legal and OTC in MANY countries worldwide. So the Schering amps your getting aren't necessarily the old "fell off the back of a truck" story. I know that at least one overseas source I have used simply walks into his neighborhood pharmacy, buys what you ordered and mails it to you. All at a huge markup over local cost of course. Chances are that this is how MANY overseas sources that sell HG gear do it.

[trapz]

exactly, i have many overseas friends who simply walk in the pharm and purchase whatever they want since anabolics and ancillaries are still legal to purchase without a script or at the msot corrupt they are looked at like any other basic med and if you go to the right pharm or for the right price they simply look the other way... but there are plenty of non 3rd world countries with HG gear available directly from the pharm or factory if you purchase enough that have the same quality control as the US, hell most of the human grade gear in the US is made in other countries or at the least especially with generics the raw hormones are purchased from the same countries UG labs do, they just obviously have very stringent quality control when dealing with potentially unpure ingredients and probably throw a bit in the trash that doesnt meet spec but still save way more than doing it any other way...

[Xanthine]

You are suggesting that companies around the world are blatantly letting gear flow out the back door of pharmacies illegally with no prescription to make money, but then they are paying THOUSANDS of dollars to test each batch and monitor sanitary manufacturing conditions?

That is EXACTLY what is happening. Failure to do so would see them lose their reputation on the legitimate market and see them lose FDA approval etc...that very legitimacy is of course, the basis of their attraction on the black market.

Without legitimacy, companies like Organon and Schering would not be attractive brands to the black market.
Not to mention they would be out on their ass as far as the FDA would be concerned.

Lets face it...steroids are NOT the biggest selling product these multinational companies make you realise that right? They happen to make a shit load of other drugs.

Lets be clear here...you are talking about Schering, Organon and Watson etc right?

All of those companies make money from the black market via diverted or subverted distribution but their entire business would be ruined if standards were dropped.

These companies would still thrive if they had to stop producing steroids tomorrow.

Most money is made from medication whilst the patent is still held. You can't patent Test.

[svtpower97]

We should put to rest the idea that there are legitimate steroids out there and you only have to look at the label close enough to identify them. Bullshit. Even if you have steroids from a "real" pharmacy overseas, it means that the governing bodies of that country are letting thousands of ampoules and vials slip out the back door into the black market. So if the governing body of these countries is willing to "look the other way" about pharmaceutical steroids slipping out the back door, they certainly would look the other way when it came to dosage and sterile manufacturing conditions. Doesn't anyone wonder why you never see American steroids on the black market? When was the last time you saw OXANDRIN by BTG? Never. Because our FDA monitors sales and production. Other countries do not. So don't get so excited when you see the correct imprint on a Shering Ampoule or a precise hologram or top on a Deca vial from Norma. Any way you look at it, it is not legit. Notice I am not saying it is not REAL. There is a big difference between legit and real. Many anabolics around the world are REAL, correctly dosed, sterile,etc. But don't get that warm fuzzy feeling when you think you have something that just came off of a pharmacy wall. If whatever governing body let's anabolics just flow out the backdoor with no prescription or accountability, they certainly are not taking the time and money to make sure its clean, safe and correctly dosed. This is an underground game, and those that pretend that they only deal with "legit human" gear from pharmacies are just lying to themselves. There is ONE type of steroid that is completely 100% legit and that is an American Steroid. If you have a script, walk into an American pharmacy and get your script for anabolics filled, you have legit gear. Otherwise, stop lying to yourself and just take your chances with whatever you can get. There are plenty of safe and real anabolics out there. Just don't pretend they are legit pharmaceuticals.

I have legit steroids as I have decided to only use tren/prop homebrewed from pellets made in America with our standards. Nothing else IMO is worth it, specially after being ripped off as much as I have. Nothing...absolutely NOTHING beats the feeling of knowing what EXACTLY is in that bottle because you made it yourself.