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    Default T-BOL vs D-BOL once and for All

    I know this has been covered many times before but not to the extent I would like.

    Some of the things I think I know about T-dol (OT) oral Turnibal are;

    1. It is more anabolic but less androgenic than D-bol
    2. needs to be taken longer more like 6-8 weeks
    3. Dryer than D-bol, less andregenic therfore less bloat
    4. D-bol is stronger mg per mg

    But which is most effective and in whch ways?

    Now that we are looking at the possabilities of lower doses of D-bol for longer periods as being more effective how do the 2 compounds compare in that way?

    And are the both as toxic to the liver?

    Thanks C-man
    Testosterone production begins in the brain. When the hypothalamus detects a deficiency of testosterone in the blood, it secretes a hormone called gonadotrophin-releasing hormone to the pituitary gland. This prompts the pituitary to secrete luteinizing hormone (LH), which then prompts the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone.

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    From what I read, which wasnt much because I am not a fan of orals is that it is just as toxic as dbol...not sure if that is true though...

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    whats happening enth and cman. Having taken both before and received blood work after both cycles, liver enzyme values were in the higher range of normal with both. As for reults, D-bol was great for strength and weight gain, which was fluid and fat retention, tbol was good for little to nothing. I took both with around a gram of test. But that was whilst bulking

    Now for contest, Nandrolone PP + low does test(350pw)+ t-bol and stan worked great.

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    I don't if people have this info. I got it from a Google search.

    This is the same info as used to be on the British Dragon site.

    Assuming this is correct:

    1. TBol is less androgenic and less anabolic than DBol.
    2. Best effects are with longer usage.
    3. Will not produce bloat like DBol
    4. DBol is stronger mg/mg

    OT has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milli-gram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Test-osterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concen-tration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.

    0.4 x pound (body weight) x days = number of tablets to take overall during the interval of intake
    mg / tablet


    An athlete weighing 200 pounds would take only 4 tablets of 5 mg (20mg/day.) In our experience bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen-caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason OT is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.

    Due to its characteristics OT is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fatburning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply-defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy-look-ing muscle system. If OT were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.

    OT enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often-posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.

    The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestosterone is I 7-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects

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    Quote Originally Posted by madalisa View Post
    whats happening enth and cman. Having taken both before and received blood work after both cycles, liver enzyme values were in the higher range of normal with both. As for reults, D-bol was great for strength and weight gain, which was fluid and fat retention, tbol was good for little to nothing. I took both with around a gram of test. But that was whilst bulking

    Now for contest, Nandrolone PP + low does test(350pw)+ t-bol and stan worked great.


    How much did you take and for how long?

    Thanks C-man
    Testosterone production begins in the brain. When the hypothalamus detects a deficiency of testosterone in the blood, it secretes a hormone called gonadotrophin-releasing hormone to the pituitary gland. This prompts the pituitary to secrete luteinizing hormone (LH), which then prompts the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone.

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    60mg/day for both mass gain and contest phases

    BULK for 8 weeks

    contest for 6 weeks (last phase of cycle)

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    I've taken 50mg/day Tbol and liked it. To me, it seemed more like Winstrol without the joint pain. You know, slow steady gains which were very quality with little/no water retention. It's hard to compare it to Dbol because with Dbol the weight, strength, etc is up pronto. Not so with Tbol. They are too different.

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    Ive Seen Studies That Elderly Men Taking 100mg Of Drol For 12 Weeks Show No Increase In Liver Values.

    if an old liver, or a liver in a person infected w HIV that is taking steroids to prevent wasting can handle these drugs, why can't healthy young men and young adults?

    From another board:

    "why does the bodybuilding community still have such a stigma towards orals? I run them with every cycle usually at the begining and end, I always get my blood work done and have never had any issues to date. A post I was reading on another board was talking about running d-bol and anadrol together to get better results as each in high dosages causes bad sides but together in smaller dosages one can achieve solid gains! This is not a new concept just a little explored one. Look how many bodybuilders refuse to even use orals due to the stigma associated with them....."



    I'm willing to bet Arnold and Lou were on Dbol year round, and they're still alive aren't they?

    thats just my 2 cents.

    Not saying I'm gonna run orals year round, bc I favor injectables and really have never ran orals. But I think it is an interesting concept.

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    I think a switch from dbol to tbol after 6 weeks could be a good thing. Use the dbol to kick up the initial gains, then cruise a bit more slowly uphill from there. though for now, I am gonna cruise on low dose dbol. then switch over later for the cutter. one thing, however, i am surprised that 40-50mg of t-bol is considered a good dose (for a 200 pounder). From what reading I've done, no one was ever too sure what a good dose of it should be. I've heard of guys going up to 80mg/day. I should think at 80mg, there'd have to be some noticeable sides.
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    i like tbol , sometimes i get crzy if someone gets lippy with me on dbol

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