P.c.t. clomid or hcg?

[ryscaff]

hi i'm a little cunfused i was reading up on pct before starting my cycle other than short low cycles,where i'd have a simple 4 weeks of nolva. this is my first big one. i read i can either run hcg every other week through the cycle which sound like a good idea better keeping em big rather than trying to bring em back from the dead. or take clomid eod. ???? i thought that clomid would lessen the effect of the gear and increase my chances of rebound? i'm thinking of hcg every 2 weeks 5000iu nolva eod through cycle then 40mg of nolva week one then 20mg 2-4 wks with proviron 20mg ed ? am i just talking shite any help would be appreciated. cheers.

[glacial_summit]

Did you really say 5000iu of HCG? Be careful man how much you take at a time, from what I hear, that could potentially desensitize you leydig receptors. Without those, no more natural test.

[bmak]

you can do hcg 500 iu's 2 or 3 times a week during cycle. i have never ran clomid during a cycle, but i usually run it for 10 days after my cycle @ 50mg/day.

and gs is right, 5000 iu's could def do some damage to your natural test production ability.

[ryscaff]

hi thanks for your concerns guys, yeah sorry type o, i meant 500iu, never used this before though, where's best to inject i/m or subq? already planning my next cycle to introduce hgh into the mix, but does anyone know if hcg would be need or even a bad idea?

[mars1970]

Originally Posted by ryscaff

hi thanks for your concerns guys, yeah sorry type o, i meant 500iu, never used this before though, where's best to inject i/m or subq? already planning my next cycle to introduce hgh into the mix, but does anyone know if hcg would be need or even a bad idea?

It would if we knew what your cycle was, PCT can be cycle dependant a lot of the time, and HGH so soon, thats usually only used by pro's who have already got everything they can out of steroids and peptides, don't expect to get big on it.

[bmak]

Originally Posted by ryscaff

hi thanks for your concerns guys, yeah sorry type o, i meant 500iu, never used this before though, where's best to inject i/m or subq? already planning my next cycle to introduce hgh into the mix, but does anyone know if hcg would be need or even a bad idea?

you can go im or subq, i prefer subq, but have done im as well.

[ryscaff]

Originally Posted by mars1970

It would if we knew what your cycle was, PCT can be cycle dependant a lot of the time, and HGH so soon, thats usually only used by pro's who have already got everything they can out of steroids and peptides, don't expect to get big on it.

well i'm thinking of running a simple sus n decca cycle with some winstrol
weeks 1-4 200mg of decca 250 sus 25mg ed winstrol
weeks 5-8 200mg decca 500 sus
weeks 9-12 250 sus 30mg ed winstrol
week 13,14 35mg winsrol
week 15 start pct.

do you think this will be enough?
i'm 6ft 215lbs 12% bf 27 yrs old
ive been training for around 12 years now

[mars1970]

Originally Posted by ryscaff

well i'm thinking of running a simple sus n decca cycle with some winstrol
weeks 1-4 200mg of decca 250 sus 25mg ed winstrol
weeks 5-8 200mg decca 500 sus
weeks 9-12 250 sus 30mg ed winstrol
week 13,14 35mg winsrol
week 15 start pct.

do you think this will be enough?
i'm 6ft 215lbs 12% bf 27 yrs old
ive been training for around 12 years now

Why are you messing with the sust? It's important to keep test plasma levels stable on cycle to avoid too many sides.
Deca will do sod all at that dosage.
Also why stop the deca at wk 8? it needs to be ran at least 10wks because it takes an age to kick in.
Why are you kickstarting with winny on a bulker? and finishing with it?
Also 25mg ED is too low, not that i'd be running it anyway?
How many cycles have you done?

But if thats the way you want your cycle thats up to you mate.
As for PCT.
wk 15-18, nolva 40/20/20/20
wk 15-18 clomid 100/50/50/50
HCG wks 13-15 500iu 2-3 x wk.

[BigWill]

Originally Posted by bmak

i have never ran clomid during a cycle, but i usually run it for 10 days after my cycle @ 50mg/day.

Clomid is worthless while taking test so keep it for pct.

[Dine Warrior]

Originally Posted by BigWill

Clomid is worthless while taking test so keep it for pct.

Agreed it will do nothing on cycle.

[bmak]

Originally Posted by BigWill

Clomid is worthless while taking test so keep it for pct.

thats what i thought. thanks will.

[ryscaff]

Originally Posted by mars1970

Why are you messing with the sust? It's important to keep test plasma levels stable on cycle to avoid too many sides.
Deca will do sod all at that dosage.
Also why stop the deca at wk 8? it needs to be ran at least 10wks because it takes an age to kick in.
Why are you kickstarting with winny on a bulker? and finishing with it?
Also 25mg ED is too low, not that i'd be running it anyway?
How many cycles have you done?

But if thats the way you want your cycle thats up to you mate.
As for PCT.
wk 15-18, nolva 40/20/20/20
wk 15-18 clomid 100/50/50/50
HCG wks 13-15 500iu 2-3 x wk.

i'm using the sus as a test base, as for the deca what do you recommend i figured that would've been enough considering my goal and th winstrol is because its supposed to help repair small tears in tendons for heavy lifting oplus i can run like a race horse on it. i'm not trying to bulk on these too much it's all about quality gains for me , strength and density if it takes me another 5yrs thats fine. i'm currently benching 180kg for ten reps which i'm pretty happy with for now. i'm wanting to run this cycle while training for strength endurance i.e. matrix exercises.

[ryscaff]

Originally Posted by BigWill

Clomid is worthless while taking test so keep it for pct.

cheers big will , i thought so too, but you sometimes get advice which is best off left alone, i would be right in saying any kind of anti e would lessen the effects of gear slightly? but well worth taking the nolva to prevent gyno and water retention?