Long cycle PCT is good.

Jmazz19 · 07-28-2008, 11:16 PM

Ive been using the "blast and cruise" method for a few years now. Ive come off a few times, but not long enough to really count it. I decided to come off for the summer and ran PCT. ( hcg, clomid, nolva) I was expecting it to be horrible. My last shot of test was a few months ago, and have finished pct since then. At first my energy and strength at the gym wasnt so good and I almost started up again. Its been a few months now and I am in shock at how fast I seem to be coming around. My workouts dont seem to be suffering and my sex drive isnt that bad. The sex drive seems a little low, but I think its just that I forgot what a normal sex drive is like. lol I havent had my test levels checked, I did just have all my other bloods done and everything came back perfect.
I did high doses of hcg the last month before I came off, I think that had something to do with it.
I just wanted to share this with everyone because it seems like we only hear negatives about coming off after long cycles. I do miss my constant hard-on though.

ALIN · 07-29-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jmazz19

Ive been using the "blast and cruise" method for a few years now. Ive come off a few times, but not long enough to really count it. I decided to come off for the summer and ran PCT. ( hcg, clomid, nolva) I was expecting it to be horrible. My last shot of test was a few months ago, and have finished pct since then. At first my energy and strength at the gym wasnt so good and I almost started up again. Its been a few months now and I am in shock at how fast I seem to be coming around. My workouts dont seem to be suffering and my sex drive isnt that bad. The sex drive seems a little low, but I think its just that I forgot what a normal sex drive is like. lol I havent had my test levels checked, I did just have all my other bloods done and everything came back perfect.
I did high doses of hcg the last month before I came off, I think that had something to do with it.
I just wanted to share this with everyone because it seems like we only hear negatives about coming off after long cycles. I do miss my constant hard-on though.

thanks for sharing your experience. Great post!

Con3151 · 07-29-2008, 03:30 AM

I always do PCT after every cycle. MY AI's and SERMS vary depending on what i use. Im 100 percent down there after every PCT. Hope the future goes well for u

Jmazz19 · 07-30-2008, 02:50 PM

I thought there would be more responses to this. I guess people only like to hear the negative sides of long cycles. lol

KingGuss · 07-30-2008, 03:31 PM

Well I will be coming off for a couple months at the end of the summer. To qualify for HRT and possibly to have a minor surgery on a nagging shoulder injury. Glad to hear your success story because honestly I am fucking dreading it.

Nobby · 07-31-2008, 01:44 AM

I want more feedback from those of u that came off after long period on AS

awal · 07-31-2008, 04:44 PM

i hate to be the negative one here but if i were you i wouldnt get too excited yet.
i have experianced what you are going through now but your nat test levels and sex drive may still decline.
if i were you id give it another 2 months, get your bloods done then and if everything is ok especially libido then i would consider it safe to start another cycle.

gzam · 07-31-2008, 06:11 PM

What doses of HCG did you use before coming off?

Gettinhard · 08-04-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jmazz19

I thought there would be more responses to this. I guess people only like to hear the negative sides of long cycles. lol

How correct you are :-) People do like to here the neg side of things these days hell thats all the media talks about today and peolple eat it up!!
But hey bro I AM very interested in your post and Im sure many others are to!
Will you tell us exactly what you used nolva, hcg ect.. and how you used it to come off. Im comming up on the end of my 16 weeker but I may carry it on out to 20 weeks or more and I would love to hear some good advice on comming off without crashing so hard. Like you said, Im going to miss all those hard-ons and the abnormal sex life that will prob. decline. Did you take HCG during your cycling? Give us a heads up bro and thanks for shareing...
GH...

BIGGUY86 · 08-07-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nobby

I want more feedback from those of u that came off after long period on AS

bump

Fabz · 08-07-2008, 02:01 AM

go to an endo and get your test levels done, im interested to know how your going on paper, not on just how you feel.

Antihero · 09-29-2008, 04:17 AM

So are you still off cycle? Give us an update bro, Ill be comming off here in a few and am interested. Thanks

jacenty · 09-29-2008, 06:05 AM

the best bet would be to get your test levels checked, becasue as someone said earlier i would not get so excited yet, becasue when you run long cycles, with multiple injections in the same muscle groups a build up of scurr tissue may appear, and thus prolong the absorption of the drug into the bloodstream. That is why sometimes it takes about 60 to even 70 days for drugs like deca for example to clear the system. The more cc's you shoot, and the longer the duaration of a cycle, the better possibility your recovery will take so much longer.

The only way to asses whether you have recovered is to have yout test levels, lf and fsh checked.

If your lh/fsh levels are good, then it measn that your pituary works and the test that you have, whether it be verly low or high is yours, endogenous.

Jmazz19 · 09-30-2008, 05:18 AM

I only took about 4 months off before starting again. Everything was going good, I was having good workouts and my sex drive was up. My levels probably werent 100% but I know they were pretty close. The first month or two after coming off sucked, but i came around pretty quick.

Lhammer · 10-10-2008, 08:21 PM

Fellas, up until 8 years ago I ran all types of gear in very heavy amounts for long cycles. It was tough afterwards many times, but eventually I came back to normal and stayed that way (normal energy and horney often). I was off hormones for years w/o any sign of problems. In my experience, the negative effects from getting off lasts at most three months with full return back to normal shortly after that. With proper PCT its possible to shorten that timeframe, although it still takes some time even with the best thought out PCT.

jacenty · 10-11-2008, 09:49 AM

yeah, the first 2-3 months after you come off are the worst, it can get only better after that.

karl lazlo · 11-03-2008, 05:23 PM

Talked to my doc about this, and he said its a crap shoot. He has seen guys who were on for years come off and make a full recovery w/ PCT. He has seen other guys who have done 1-2 cycles and are completely shut down for life and need to be on TRT for good. So it seems to me like it depends on the response of each individual. Some people are genetically lucky, and some people are fucked. But dont rain on this guy's parade; if he feels sufficiently recovered, maybe he is, although I agree he should get his T checked right away to see if his bloods match the way he is feeling.

Lhammer · 11-03-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by karl lazlo

Talked to my doc about this, and he said its a crap shoot. He has seen guys who were on for years come off and make a full recovery w/ PCT. He has seen other guys who have done 1-2 cycles and are completely shut down for life and need to be on TRT for good. So it seems to me like it depends on the response of each individual. Some people are genetically lucky, and some people are fucked. But dont rain on this guy's parade; if he feels sufficiently recovered, maybe he is, although I agree he should get his T checked right away to see if his bloods match the way he is feeling.

no offence to your doctor, but many times they don't have training and experience, just don't know what the hell they're talking about or make inflated statments in an attempt to scare you. i bet that the percentage of people that completely shut down for life after 1-2 cycles is less than 1%. It just doesnt make sense that they HTPA would get permanently damaged in that situation. In fact, i doubt that your doctor has truly seen a patient that after taking 1-2 cycles was completely shut down for life bc of the cycles. Did he check thier test levels for months after the cycle? Did he check their test levels before the cycle for comparison? Did he follow them for life until they died (that's only way to say they were "shut down for life"). I doubt it.

karl lazlo · 11-05-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lhammer

no offence to your doctor, but many times they don't have training and experience, just don't know what the hell they're talking about or make inflated statments in an attempt to scare you. i bet that the percentage of people that completely shut down for life after 1-2 cycles is less than 1%. It just doesnt make sense that they HTPA would get permanently damaged in that situation. In fact, i doubt that your doctor has truly seen a patient that after taking 1-2 cycles was completely shut down for life bc of the cycles. Did he check thier test levels for months after the cycle? Did he check their test levels before the cycle for comparison? Did he follow them for life until they died (that's only way to say they were "shut down for life"). I doubt it.

My doc has plenty of experience w/ anabolic users. In fact, he uses anabolics and HGH himself. But going back to my post, I do realise I phrased what I was trying to say poorly. I shouldnt have said multiple patients; he gave me the example of 1 patient in particular who was shut down from 1-2 cycles, in the context of a conversation that was trying to illustrate the point I made above. As far as permanent shutdown goes, the indicator they use, if I remember correctly, is FSH and LH levels. When you come off cycle and crash, your test levels are low, as are your FSH and LH levels, and estrogen is high. Usually, when FSH and LH bounce back, that is when your test levels can begin to bounce back. However, if after your PCT, if FSH and LH are back to normal, but your test level isnt, that is when you know you are fucked. Something along those lines anyway. If some of that is incorrect, it is most likely my recollection; this was a casual convo we had a few years back.

Lhammer · 11-05-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by karl lazlo

My doc has plenty of experience w/ anabolic users. In fact, he uses anabolics and HGH himself. But going back to my post, I do realise I phrased what I was trying to say poorly. I shouldnt have said multiple patients; he gave me the example of 1 patient in particular who was shut down from 1-2 cycles, in the context of a conversation that was trying to illustrate the point I made above. As far as permanent shutdown goes, the indicator they use, if I remember correctly, is FSH and LH levels. When you come off cycle and crash, your test levels are low, as are your FSH and LH levels, and estrogen is high. Usually, when FSH and LH bounce back, that is when your test levels can begin to bounce back. However, if after your PCT, if FSH and LH are back to normal, but your test level isnt, that is when you know you are fucked. Something along those lines anyway. If some of that is incorrect, it is most likely my recollection; this was a casual convo we had a few years back.

I appreciate that clarification. However, I am skeptical of that convers

07-30-2008, 02:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jmazz19 Senior Member Jmazz19's Stats Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 224 Status: Offline Jmazz19's Info Location: Country:	I thought there would be more responses to this. I guess people only like to hear the negative sides of long cycles. lol
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KingGuss Senior Member KingGuss's Stats Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,128 Status: Online KingGuss's Info Location: Country:	Well I will be coming off for a couple months at the end of the summer. To qualify for HRT and possibly to have a minor surgery on a nagging shoulder injury. Glad to hear your success story because honestly I am fucking dreading it.
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Jmazz19 Senior Member Jmazz19's Stats Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 224 Status: Offline Jmazz19's Info Location: Country:	I only took about 4 months off before starting again. Everything was going good, I was having good workouts and my sex drive was up. My levels probably werent 100% but I know they were pretty close. The first month or two after coming off sucked, but i came around pretty quick.
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07-29-2008, 03:30 AM	#3 (permalink)
Con3151 New Member Con3151's Stats Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 23 Status: Offline Con3151's Info Location: Country:	I always do PCT after every cycle. MY AI's and SERMS vary depending on what i use. Im 100 percent down there after every PCT. Hope the future goes well for u

07-31-2008, 01:44 AM	#6 (permalink)
Nobby Senior Member Nobby's Stats Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 190 Status: Offline Nobby's Info Location: Country:	I want more feedback from those of u that came off after long period on AS

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awal Senior Member awal's Stats Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 651 Status: Online awal's Info Location: Country:	i hate to be the negative one here but if i were you i wouldnt get too excited yet. i have experianced what you are going through now but your nat test levels and sex drive may still decline. if i were you id give it another 2 months, get your bloods done then and if everything is ok especially libido then i would consider it safe to start another cycle.

07-31-2008, 06:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
gzam Senior Member gzam's Stats Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,298 Metal Slug 2: Rampage Champion! Status: Offline gzam's Info Location: Country:	What doses of HCG did you use before coming off?

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Fabz Senior Member Fabz's Stats Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 179 Status: Offline Fabz's Info Location: Country:	go to an endo and get your test levels done, im interested to know how your going on paper, not on just how you feel.

10-10-2008, 08:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
Lhammer Member Lhammer's Stats Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 30 Status: Offline Lhammer's Info Location: Country:	Fellas, up until 8 years ago I ran all types of gear in very heavy amounts for long cycles. It was tough afterwards many times, but eventually I came back to normal and stayed that way (normal energy and horney often). I was off hormones for years w/o any sign of problems. In my experience, the negative effects from getting off lasts at most three months with full return back to normal shortly after that. With proper PCT its possible to shorten that timeframe, although it still takes some time even with the best thought out PCT.

10-11-2008, 09:49 AM	#16 (permalink)
jacenty Senior Member jacenty's Stats Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 389 Status: Online jacenty's Info Location: Country:	yeah, the first 2-3 months after you come off are the worst, it can get only better after that.

11-03-2008, 05:23 PM	#17 (permalink)
karl lazlo Senior Member karl lazlo's Stats Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 111 Status: Offline karl lazlo's Info Location: Country:	Talked to my doc about this, and he said its a crap shoot. He has seen guys who were on for years come off and make a full recovery w/ PCT. He has seen other guys who have done 1-2 cycles and are completely shut down for life and need to be on TRT for good. So it seems to me like it depends on the response of each individual. Some people are genetically lucky, and some people are fucked. But dont rain on this guy's parade; if he feels sufficiently recovered, maybe he is, although I agree he should get his T checked right away to see if his bloods match the way he is feeling.