thinking about staying on.

[racer]

hi. i am racer. this is my first post on this board ,i am a member of s/e.i am 59yrs old and i recently had bloodwork done everything was fine ,but my test was at the low end of normal 14.38,i am in the uk,and theyare a bit strict here, my doctor suggested gels or patches,but i have heard they aren't very good so i have been thinking of doing it myself, maybe blast and cruise. this will be my first cycle, at my age i haven't got nothing to lose. my doctor thinks if you can walk you are okay.[ bullshit] anyway i was thinking of doing 500mgs test cyp a week, and adex0.25 eod throughout cycle for 16weeks and then cruise on 200mgs a week for 3months, also i have hcg. i will be grateful for any opinions on this please.

[markmark]

why start now?? Is this your first?? how long have you been working out??

[Martin Blank]

Racer, I myself would do it in reverse...I would do a cycle of 10-12 weeks of test at 250mg/wk and see what kind of results you get. (You didn't mention any stats or workout history or what your current diet looks like.) If you like the results then run your PCT, recover and in 3 months run another cycle. If you eat right, train hard and maintain some dietary discipline year round you should get some decent gains. I would have blood work done again right before your next cycle. At a low/moderate dose of test you may not even need arimidex.
If on the other hand you are going to set up your own TRT program just for the quality of life benefits and not for muslce building effects your dosages would look more like 100-150 mg per week of testosterone. Everyone is different and blood work will tell you what works for you. Then you can "blast" and run larger amounts or different AAS for a couple cycles during the year, always returning to your base test dose when finished. TRT is for life and should not be taken lightly. There are a lot of people on this site that can help you make your decision. Stick around and research. Good Luck.

[racer]

hi. thanks for your reply.i was going to do 250mgs test a week but other people have said it would be a waste for my first cycle,and that i would be better off with 500mgs.i am due to start it today. i will do it for 12 weeks and then cruise for 3 months on 200. during cycle armidex or nolva which is best i am 59 and 160 lbs with my test at the low end of normal it is hard to make gains, so i am going to try it this way to see how i get on. i will never take more than 500mgs of test.at my age my natural test is going to decline anyway .i have read numerous posts about people my age have done what i am doing and that they look and feel a lot better. opinions appreciated.

[Martin Blank]

For your first cycle and being 59 years old I think 250mg/wk would be ideal. In my opinion 500mg/wk would be overkill. Remember at your age your bodies natural testosterone production is probably between 35-55 mg/Wk. I think about 30 percent of Testosterone Enanthate is the ester weight so at 250mg/wk of TE, you would be getting around 175 mg of testosterone per week or about 3-4 times more than you are getting now. Also you didn't mention your height but 160 pounds sounds as if your diet needs to be addressed. Regardless if you take even 1 gram of AAS if your calories are not above your maintenance by about 500 per day you will not gain weight. Take a serious look at your caloric intake when you do start your cycle. Most people underestimate how much they eat. Fitday.com has a free program that helps keep track. There's a lot of good information in the diet section. Don't fall into the trap of using more drugs to compensate for lack of hard work and a clean diet. Have blood work done mid cycle to see what your test levels look like. Good luck, and remember life is a marathon...not a sprint.

[Martin Blank]

Almost forgot...I would have the nolva just in case and at 250 mg/wk you probably won't even need arimidex.

[TangSooDoo]

Originally Posted by racer

hi. i am racer. this is my first post on this board ,i am a member of s/e.i am 59yrs old and i recently had bloodwork done everything was fine ,but my test was at the low end of normal 14.38,i am in the uk,and theyare a bit strict here, my doctor suggested gels or patches,but i have heard they aren't very good so i have been thinking of doing it myself, maybe blast and cruise. this will be my first cycle, at my age i haven't got nothing to lose. my doctor thinks if you can walk you are okay.[ bullshit] anyway i was thinking of doing 500mgs test cyp a week, and adex0.25 eod throughout cycle for 16weeks and then cruise on 200mgs a week for 3months, also i have hcg. i will be grateful for any opinions on this please.

racer, I'm going to stay on for a two years straight! Yeah I know it sounds crazy but that's what I wanted to do since 2005! I have dbol, tbol, 17HD, sustanon, and omnadrens for the two years and to top this all off, NO PCT or any Anti-E's will be done over the course of these two years!
If my liver has a episode, so be it! If my balls shrink, so be it! If gyno occurs, I'll buy a bra! LOL After the two years, I'm going to slowly wean myself of the AAS! I've been on AAS for three years now and the only complaint about the stuff is the goddamn hard-ons every morning! LOL

[racer]

hi . thanks for your reply if you have had no problems why come off.

[Breitling]

Watch your blood pressure. Buy one of those home BP monitoring units. High BP doesn't have any symptoms and it can be deadly. I was doing the blast cruise thing up until a week ago. My Dr. put me on BP medicine a month and a half ago, and last week I found out I now have kidney problems, too. I stopped the test altogether last week, just to see if that might have been the cause. I'm 42, and 225 pounds. I was cruising on 250mg/week of cyp.

[TangSooDoo]

Originally Posted by Breitling

Watch your blood pressure. Buy one of those home BP monitoring units. High BP doesn't have any symptoms and it can be deadly. I was doing the blast cruise thing up until a week ago. My Dr. put me on BP medicine a month and a half ago, and last week I found out I now have kidney problems, too. I stopped the test altogether last week, just to see if that might have been the cause. I'm 42, and 225 pounds. I was cruising on 250mg/week of cyp.

I cruise on 1000mg/ml of a combo every month! It keeps the women happy!!!!

[taba]

Originally Posted by racer

hi . thanks for your reply if you have had no problems why come off.

Since you are 59 yrs old, I would do your first cycle at 500mg. You don't have the same amount of test floating around as the young bucks do and they go at it at this dose first time out. See how your cycle goes. You can always taper down and drop back to trt doses. You see, IMO, if you start doing your hrt dose first and months later do your cycle, your receptors have already felt your hrt dose as your first cycle. Use your fresh receptors for your first cycle. You will get a better response. Its hard enough getting one at our age. We don't respond as well on gear as we get older. Make sure you have your ancillary compounds ready if gyno pops up or you bloat too much. I'm lucky. I don't get gyno or bloat much. I do lose my hair though.

I would do old school and taper up to 500mgs starting at 250mgs. Just to see how your body reacts. You may not need to go to your max suggested dose. It may be good at 350mg. Who knows? Only you will when you experiement with your doses. Its easier on your system to do this at our age. Coaxing your dose into your system this way helps avoid test full as well.

My first cycle was 250mgs test and it was the best cycle I have had as far as seeing my body transform, getting the pump, and feeling like Hercules all the time. Couldn't beat that overall sense of well being. That was when I was much younger though. Now 500mgs is like a hrt dose for me. I feel good but it feels like I'm training as a natural. I really need more to do a decent cycle nowadays so I blast a couple of times per year.


Enjoy your first time out and level off at your lower hrt dose. You will be in heaven and ask yourself why didn't I do this sooner. At our age its the shits feeling sluggish, having creaky joints, and recovering from our w/o's take forever.

If you get on TRT you will be able have a quality of life. Its nice to feel young again. You would not want go back after you know the difference.
I'm in my early 50's and cruise and blast. Being older, as previously stated, you don't respond as well as when you are younger using AAS. Its just the way it is. I have been juicin for years. Done almost all the compounds at mega doses to boot. It was when I got older I couldn't justify the benefit to risk ratio any longer and kept my doses lower. I cruise and blast without ever coming off. Oils only. No orals.

Its more of a health issue trying to stay strong healthy more than trying to become a mass monster. Got to still work building in the trades. Couldn't do it without trt. My cholesterol is 160 and I just did a reading for my BP and its 117/79. When I was younger my readings would always go off the charts but never worried because they would go back to normal when I was off. Being on all the time now you don't want to play this game with risking your health using too much juice since you will be on full time.

Like "Breitling says", you need to get a BP monitor. Check Walgreens, Longs, etc.. and watch your blood pressure. I check mine all the time. Keep your records from your blood work and compare them to see where you stand with your health. Its going to be an exciting time for you. Its like you will be starting a new life. Just keep your unbridled enthusiasm in check because you may think you are really a youngster again.

[bantamweight_B]

Originally Posted by taba

Since you are 59 yrs old, I would do your first cycle at 500mg. You don't have the same amount of test floating around as the young bucks do and they go at it at this dose first time out. See how your cycle goes. You can always taper down and drop back to trt doses. You see, IMO, if you start doing your hrt dose first and months later do your cycle, your receptors have already felt your hrt dose as your first cycle. Use your fresh receptors for your first cycle. You will get a better response. Its hard enough getting one at our age. We don't respond as well on gear as we get older. Make sure you have your ancillary compounds ready if gyno pops up or you bloat too much. I'm lucky. I don't get gyno or bloat much. I do lose my hair though.

I would do old school and taper up to 500mgs starting at 250mgs. Just to see how your body reacts. You may not need to go to your max suggested dose. It may be good at 350mg. Who knows? Only you will when you experiement with your doses. Its easier on your system to do this at our age. Coaxing your dose into your system this way helps avoid test full as well.

My first cycle was 250mgs test and it was the best cycle I have had as far as seeing my body transform, getting the pump, and feeling like Hercules all the time. Couldn't beat that overall sense of well being. That was when I was much younger though. Now 500mgs is like a hrt dose for me. I feel good but it feels like I'm training as a natural. I really need more to do a decent cycle nowadays so I blast a couple of times per year.


Enjoy your first time out and level off at your lower hrt dose. You will be in heaven and ask yourself why didn't I do this sooner. At our age its the shits feeling sluggish, having creaky joints, and recovering from our w/o's take forever.

If you get on TRT you will be able have a quality of life. Its nice to feel young again. You would not want go back after you know the difference.
I'm in my early 50's and cruise and blast. Being older, as previously stated, you don't respond as well as when you are younger using AAS. Its just the way it is. I have been juicin for years. Done almost all the compounds at mega doses to boot. It was when I got older I couldn't justify the benefit to risk ratio any longer and kept my doses lower. I cruise and blast without ever coming off. Oils only. No orals.

Its more of a health issue trying to stay strong healthy more than trying to become a mass monster. Got to still work building in the trades. Couldn't do it without trt. My cholesterol is 160 and I just did a reading for my BP and its 117/79. When I was younger my readings would always go off the charts but never worried because they would go back to normal when I was off. Being on all the time now you don't want to play this game with risking your health using too much juice since you will be on full time.

Like "Breitling says", you need to get a BP monitor. Check Walgreens, Longs, etc.. and watch your blood pressure. I check mine all the time. Keep your records from your blood work and compare them to see where you stand with your health. Its going to be an exciting time for you. Its like you will be starting a new life. Just keep your unbridled enthusiasm in check because you may think you are really a youngster again.

Well said

[racer]

hi. thanks for your reply. i have allready started my first cycle, i started on 1st october with 500mgs test cyp, 2x250 weekly with armidex 0.25 ed, at the moment i dont feel any difference if anything maybe a little tired sometimes. i know it is a bit early yet with test,anyway i will see how i go. it is my birthday today and i am going out with my family,the question is will it be okay to have a few drinks, will it effect my gains i know alcohol lowers test, but i dont know about when you are injecting test, could you please give me your opinion on that.

[TangSooDoo]

Originally Posted by taba

Since you are 59 yrs old, I would do your first cycle at 500mg. You don't have the same amount of test floating around as the young bucks do and they go at it at this dose first time out. See how your cycle goes. You can always taper down and drop back to trt doses. You see, IMO, if you start doing your hrt dose first and months later do your cycle, your receptors have already felt your hrt dose as your first cycle. Use your fresh receptors for your first cycle. You will get a better response. Its hard enough getting one at our age. We don't respond as well on gear as we get older. Make sure you have your ancillary compounds ready if gyno pops up or you bloat too much. I'm lucky. I don't get gyno or bloat much. I do lose my hair though.

I would do old school and taper up to 500mgs starting at 250mgs. Just to see how your body reacts. You may not need to go to your max suggested dose. It may be good at 350mg. Who knows? Only you will when you experiement with your doses. Its easier on your system to do this at our age. Coaxing your dose into your system this way helps avoid test full as well.

My first cycle was 250mgs test and it was the best cycle I have had as far as seeing my body transform, getting the pump, and feeling like Hercules all the time. Couldn't beat that overall sense of well being. That was when I was much younger though. Now 500mgs is like a hrt dose for me. I feel good but it feels like I'm training as a natural. I really need more to do a decent cycle nowadays so I blast a couple of times per year.


Enjoy your first time out and level off at your lower hrt dose. You will be in heaven and ask yourself why didn't I do this sooner. At our age its the shits feeling sluggish, having creaky joints, and recovering from our w/o's take forever.

If you get on TRT you will be able have a quality of life. Its nice to feel young again. You would not want go back after you know the difference.
I'm in my early 50's and cruise and blast. Being older, as previously stated, you don't respond as well as when you are younger using AAS. Its just the way it is. I have been juicin for years. Done almost all the compounds at mega doses to boot. It was when I got older I couldn't justify the benefit to risk ratio any longer and kept my doses lower. I cruise and blast without ever coming off. Oils only. No orals.

Its more of a health issue trying to stay strong healthy more than trying to become a mass monster. Got to still work building in the trades. Couldn't do it without trt. My cholesterol is 160 and I just did a reading for my BP and its 117/79. When I was younger my readings would always go off the charts but never worried because they would go back to normal when I was off. Being on all the time now you don't want to play this game with risking your health using too much juice since you will be on full time.

Like "Breitling says", you need to get a BP monitor. Check Walgreens, Longs, etc.. and watch your blood pressure. I check mine all the time. Keep your records from your blood work and compare them to see where you stand with your health. Its going to be an exciting time for you. Its like you will be starting a new life. Just keep your unbridled enthusiasm in check because you may think you are really a youngster again.

That is a very good read, taba! I like the compliments from women! It's like some "glow" about my face or something and the way I walk when I'm using AAS and what the exercises do for my entire body! Five compliments from women and one from a young teenager! YIKES! That one kind of scared me if you know what I mean! Can these women see that I'm on something or can they smell the testosterone? I've known a few of these women for over 10 years, but I have never been told that, "You look really great!", by any of them! Thanks to the gym and AAS for the transformation. It's time for some serious dating! Although, everything is kind of o.k., I do miss my hair! LOL

[taba]

Originally Posted by TangSooDoo

That is a very good read, taba! I like the compliments from women! It's like some "glow" about my face or something and the way I walk when I'm using AAS and what the exercises do for my entire body! Five compliments from women and one from a young teenager! YIKES! That one kind of scared me if you know what I mean! Can these women see that I'm on something or can they smell the testosterone? I've known a few of these women for over 10 years, but I have never been told that, "You look really great!", by any of them! Thanks to the gym and AAS for the transformation. It's time for some serious dating! Although, everything is kind of o.k., I do miss my hair! LOL

It's a beautiful thing "TangSooDoo", when you get compliments from others saying you are looking great! I get em all the time. Even my boss gave me a compliment. It encourages me to keep training. You look good, you feel good. Others around you feel positive as well.

[Maverick3324]

Originally Posted by racer

hi. thanks for your reply. i have allready started my first cycle, i started on 1st october with 500mgs test cyp, 2x250 weekly with armidex 0.25 ed, at the moment i dont feel any difference if anything maybe a little tired sometimes. i know it is a bit early yet with test,anyway i will see how i go. it is my birthday today and i am going out with my family,the question is will it be okay to have a few drinks, will it effect my gains i know alcohol lowers test, but i dont know about when you are injecting test, could you please give me your opinion on that.

I get tired too when the test kicks in and supercedes your own levels. As for the drinking your natural lvls are lowered after you drink not while you do it. So the worse the hangover the more you suppress the natural levels of test.

btw - EOD arimidex isnt wise , you shoulda just taken test alone and waited for sides ,(which i doubt you would get , unless your fat + unhealthy) at which time use nolvadex.


good luck on your cycle, peace.

[racer]

thanks for your reply,it has been 24 days since i started my first cycle of 500mgs of test cyp a week and 0.25 armidex ed, 2x250 a week. i still feel a bit tired and i have had some itchy feelings on my back but i haven't had it for a couple of days is this the test kicking in when will i stop feeling a bit tired. i was on another board and was told it is better to take 0.25 armidex ed just to be on the safe side, any opinions appreciated.

[TangSooDoo]

Originally Posted by racer

thanks for your reply,it has been 24 days since i started my first cycle of 500mgs of test cyp a week and 0.25 armidex ed, 2x250 a week. i still feel a bit tired and i have had some itchy feelings on my back but i haven't had it for a couple of days is this the test kicking in when will i stop feeling a bit tired. i was on another board and was told it is better to take 0.25 armidex ed just to be on the safe side, any opinions appreciated.

It takes little over a week for the testosterone to kick into my system. My indicators are waking up feeling good and refreshed. Also getting to work and greeting those I see with "Good ..." with a resounding baritone/bass voice! LOL I like the looks I get! "Damn, that voice came from that skinny little body!" LOL
"What have you been doing gargling "Barry White?" LOL