Primo and over 40

jeffas66 · 05-27-2008, 09:42 AM

Hello guys,

I didn't post there for months, as I stopped AAS last year, and didn't want to take anymore risks with my health.
I'm 42, small (only 5'4'' and 150lbs) but very lean. training about 1h, 4 times/W, very clean diet.
Some pics of me below, I believe under 10% BF (all year long) :

I did a few cycles before, but I get too many sides
(i.e. tren was very harsh : exhaustion, accelerated heart beat, sweats and so...). I don't also really want to be huge, so no need for enormous amounts of juice just for looking good.

I've ordered primo powder, as it is very cheap now : the price for 10g is no more expensive as 3-4 kgs of whey in my country...So why not take a try, as it has virtually no sides (??)

The Q is : how many caps/day should I take to feel/see improvments in my physique ? I thought 100 days @ 100mg splitted in 2 x 50mg/caps.
What can I except from this ? Is it enough or should I bump it to 150 or 200mg/ed ?
I'll also try low pgcl doses 1w on/off for a few weeks.

paradroid · 05-29-2008, 06:26 AM

Nice work bro, takes balls to put pics up and put it on the line.
Careful with PGCL, seems that no sides = no results with this stuff, and there is a rebound effect too.
Very interested in primo myself, looks to be a good choice for us older athletes. Can i ask are you on HRT?

Good luck!

jeffas66 · 05-29-2008, 09:42 AM

No HRT for me. I stopped cycles last year. Was on/off for 4 years before, but always "low" doses.
Libido is a bit on the low side, but not so bad. In fact, I wanted to do a small cycle with prop first, only to help for this...but when I saw the primo powder prices, I've choosen to take a try...

The pgcl is a gift a friend gave me. He ordered from the chinaman when it was open, and he gets way too much for his personal use. He told me the only side were the shits for a few hours...In fact I don't really need pgcl, cos' I'm already lean...I personally hope for local growth (shoulders/bi/tri), but maybe I'm wrong.

2legit2quit · 05-29-2008, 10:39 AM

I would start out at 100mg/day and just see how it goes. You seem pretty in touch with your body, so you'll know whether or not you need to increase the dosage. You also seem like a less is more kind of guy (me too) and starting out at 100mg is probably a good place to start. I would make that powder into an oral solution though if it were me. Much easier & much more accurate way to dose IMO. Take a look in the Homebrew section for how to make a liquid/oral solution.....it's quite easy.

jeffas66 · 06-05-2008, 04:41 AM

Small update, day 4.

I finally did 180 primo caps @55-60mg each with my precision weigh. Filler is beta alanine (1g/cap)

So my primo cycle will be 90 days @120mg/d.

I also began pgcl, with very small doses.
Only 2x10mcg in shoulders last monday. No shits at all : I only get sweats for 15mn, 10mn after inj.
Yesterday was 2x16mcg, again in shoulders. Stomach upset for 30mn, sweats like day 1, and also some gaz, but that's all.
I believe the reason I get no sides was I didn't eat 2-3h before, and 1h after injection. So my stomach was empty.

This afternoon, I will up dose @2x20mcg. We'll see.

Even with pgcl , I'm gaining some weight, and look a bit fuller. 1 1/2lbs more at day 4 (thanks primo).

jeffas66 · 06-18-2008, 06:33 AM

day @15

Still no real sides from pgcl.
weigh stabilised : +2lbs (only) from beginning, but also no muscle loss. Strength is a bit up, with primo I believe.

I can't train with high reps anymore, because of cramps when I go over 12-15 reps, specially on bi/tri (would be unuseful on juice, anyway).
Congestion is the same as gh, all day long (I tried it 3 years ago...)

I look fuller and harder. Not a big change, but I wasn't excepting much more.

pgcl is now only 3 x/week on mon/wed/thur at 2x25-30mcg in shoulders. No shits, only shudders for about 45mn, and gaz for 2-3h after inj. I would take more if I could, but it's a bit complicated with my work/wife...

pics to come soon (I'm waiting 2-3 weeks more)

bantamweight_B · 06-18-2008, 08:07 AM

Thanks for posting results!

paradroid · 07-30-2008, 07:42 AM

How you getting on Jeffas?

jeffas66 · 08-29-2008, 10:48 AM

Hello guys

I finally ended my primo last week.
Weight is still the same, BF is a bit down (maybe from 9-10% to about 8%). As I said, I look fuller and harder.

I didn't take the pgcl for a long time, because of the sweats. I live in the french riviera where temperature stays between 25 to 32-33° C from may to september, and it's very hard to sweat all day long when you work in the same time...

I'll try again pgcl in winter, but I know it's effective for loosing weight with not too many sides (for me). I however doubt about local growth with this stuff. It did nothing for me, but doses were (maybe) to low to see anything in my case...

I took primo orally at @ 100mg for 3 months. I must say I'm not to impressed with the results, but I have to admit I gained some strength and get the hard look you have when you're "on". But no weigh gain at all.

Take test prop or even anavar, and you'll get better results for less $ IMHO.
Anyway, it's not bad, but dosn't worth the cost. The advantage is still in terms of very low toxicity : I had NO sides at all. So if you have enough money, why not take a try, but take more than 100mg/d if you want to really improve your physique...

So, this Primo cycle was a pretty decent summer cut, but I think you have to add some test or other stuff with it to get real results.

In our case (over 35) I believe low test doses would do a better job, and add good sides to the game ...a hard one i.e

))

I'll probably post some updated pics this WE. So you'll the (small) differences between before and after cycle.

go_fast1 · 09-04-2008, 11:57 PM

Thanks for the update bro .I have been thinking about taking some oral primo my self in the near future but may take about 750 mg a week of Test E .Just ordered the test e and dbol powder yesterday .I am thinking about ordering some anavar and primo powder to help me retain my gains with the dbol .I have never took Anavar and oral primo together but have took anavar and primo depot together along with test prop .I regret not getting the oral primo powder back then instead of the primo depot .It takes about 5 to 6 weeks for the Primo depot to start working .A little too long for my goals .In fact I still have a 20 ml vial of primo depot left over from last year .I am trying to think of a way to use it without making a pin cushion of myself .which is my main reason for taking the anavar and oral primo together .I know the oral primo is more expensive but I want to take it because of the fewer side effects it has .I was thinking about taking 150 mg Ed of the oral primo and about 100 mg Ed of the Anavar .But from your posts I may change my protocol down to 100 mg Ed since I will be taking Anavar also .Something I have not saw anybody post about before except for a few women taking much lower dosages .

05-27-2008, 09:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
jeffas66 New Member jeffas66's Stats Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9 Status: Offline jeffas66's Info Location: Country:	Primo and over 40 Hello guys, I didn't post there for months, as I stopped AAS last year, and didn't want to take anymore risks with my health. I'm 42, small (only 5'4'' and 150lbs) but very lean. training about 1h, 4 times/W, very clean diet. Some pics of me below, I believe under 10% BF (all year long) : I did a few cycles before, but I get too many sides (i.e. tren was very harsh : exhaustion, accelerated heart beat, sweats and so...). I don't also really want to be huge, so no need for enormous amounts of juice just for looking good. I've ordered primo powder, as it is very cheap now : the price for 10g is no more expensive as 3-4 kgs of whey in my country...So why not take a try, as it has virtually no sides (??) The Q is : how many caps/day should I take to feel/see improvments in my physique ? I thought 100 days @ 100mg splitted in 2 x 50mg/caps. What can I except from this ? Is it enough or should I bump it to 150 or 200mg/ed ? I'll also try low pgcl doses 1w on/off for a few weeks.
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2legit2quit Senior Member 2legit2quit's Stats Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,856 Status: Online 2legit2quit's Info Location: USA Country:	I would start out at 100mg/day and just see how it goes. You seem pretty in touch with your body, so you'll know whether or not you need to increase the dosage. You also seem like a less is more kind of guy (me too) and starting out at 100mg is probably a good place to start. I would make that powder into an oral solution though if it were me. Much easier & much more accurate way to dose IMO. Take a look in the Homebrew section for how to make a liquid/oral solution.....it's quite easy.
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05-29-2008, 06:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
paradroid Senior Member paradroid's Stats Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 873 Status: Offline paradroid's Info Location: Country:	Nice work bro, takes balls to put pics up and put it on the line. Careful with PGCL, seems that no sides = no results with this stuff, and there is a rebound effect too. Very interested in primo myself, looks to be a good choice for us older athletes. Can i ask are you on HRT? Good luck!

05-29-2008, 09:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
jeffas66 New Member jeffas66's Stats Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9 Status: Offline jeffas66's Info Location: Country:	No HRT for me. I stopped cycles last year. Was on/off for 4 years before, but always "low" doses. Libido is a bit on the low side, but not so bad. In fact, I wanted to do a small cycle with prop first, only to help for this...but when I saw the primo powder prices, I've choosen to take a try... The pgcl is a gift a friend gave me. He ordered from the chinaman when it was open, and he gets way too much for his personal use. He told me the only side were the shits for a few hours...In fact I don't really need pgcl, cos' I'm already lean...I personally hope for local growth (shoulders/bi/tri), but maybe I'm wrong.

06-05-2008, 04:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
jeffas66 New Member jeffas66's Stats Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9 Status: Offline jeffas66's Info Location: Country:	Small update, day 4. I finally did 180 primo caps @55-60mg each with my precision weigh. Filler is beta alanine (1g/cap) So my primo cycle will be 90 days @120mg/d. I also began pgcl, with very small doses. Only 2x10mcg in shoulders last monday. No shits at all : I only get sweats for 15mn, 10mn after inj. Yesterday was 2x16mcg, again in shoulders. Stomach upset for 30mn, sweats like day 1, and also some gaz, but that's all. I believe the reason I get no sides was I didn't eat 2-3h before, and 1h after injection. So my stomach was empty. This afternoon, I will up dose @2x20mcg. We'll see. Even with pgcl , I'm gaining some weight, and look a bit fuller. 1 1/2lbs more at day 4 (thanks primo).

06-18-2008, 06:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
jeffas66 New Member jeffas66's Stats Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9 Status: Offline jeffas66's Info Location: Country:	day @15 Still no real sides from pgcl. weigh stabilised : +2lbs (only) from beginning, but also no muscle loss. Strength is a bit up, with primo I believe. I can't train with high reps anymore, because of cramps when I go over 12-15 reps, specially on bi/tri (would be unuseful on juice, anyway). Congestion is the same as gh, all day long (I tried it 3 years ago...) I look fuller and harder. Not a big change, but I wasn't excepting much more. pgcl is now only 3 x/week on mon/wed/thur at 2x25-30mcg in shoulders. No shits, only shudders for about 45mn, and gaz for 2-3h after inj. I would take more if I could, but it's a bit complicated with my work/wife... pics to come soon (I'm waiting 2-3 weeks more)

07-30-2008, 07:42 AM	#8 (permalink)
paradroid Senior Member paradroid's Stats Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 873 Status: Offline paradroid's Info Location: Country:	How you getting on Jeffas?

08-29-2008, 10:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
jeffas66 New Member jeffas66's Stats Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9 Status: Offline jeffas66's Info Location: Country:	Hello guys I finally ended my primo last week. Weight is still the same, BF is a bit down (maybe from 9-10% to about 8%). As I said, I look fuller and harder. I didn't take the pgcl for a long time, because of the sweats. I live in the french riviera where temperature stays between 25 to 32-33° C from may to september, and it's very hard to sweat all day long when you work in the same time... I'll try again pgcl in winter, but I know it's effective for loosing weight with not too many sides (for me). I however doubt about local growth with this stuff. It did nothing for me, but doses were (maybe) to low to see anything in my case... I took primo orally at @ 100mg for 3 months. I must say I'm not to impressed with the results, but I have to admit I gained some strength and get the hard look you have when you're "on". But no weigh gain at all. Take test prop or even anavar, and you'll get better results for less $ IMHO. Anyway, it's not bad, but dosn't worth the cost. The advantage is still in terms of very low toxicity : I had NO sides at all. So if you have enough money, why not take a try, but take more than 100mg/d if you want to really improve your physique... So, this Primo cycle was a pretty decent summer cut, but I think you have to add some test or other stuff with it to get real results. In our case (over 35) I believe low test doses would do a better job, and add good sides to the game ...a hard one i.e )) I'll probably post some updated pics this WE. So you'll the (small) differences between before and after cycle.

09-04-2008, 11:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
go_fast1 Senior Member go_fast1's Stats Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 139 Status: Offline go_fast1's Info Location: WV Country:	Thanks for the update bro .I have been thinking about taking some oral primo my self in the near future but may take about 750 mg a week of Test E .Just ordered the test e and dbol powder yesterday .I am thinking about ordering some anavar and primo powder to help me retain my gains with the dbol .I have never took Anavar and oral primo together but have took anavar and primo depot together along with test prop .I regret not getting the oral primo powder back then instead of the primo depot .It takes about 5 to 6 weeks for the Primo depot to start working .A little too long for my goals .In fact I still have a 20 ml vial of primo depot left over from last year .I am trying to think of a way to use it without making a pin cushion of myself .which is my main reason for taking the anavar and oral primo together .I know the oral primo is more expensive but I want to take it because of the fewer side effects it has .I was thinking about taking 150 mg Ed of the oral primo and about 100 mg Ed of the Anavar .But from your posts I may change my protocol down to 100 mg Ed since I will be taking Anavar also .Something I have not saw anybody post about before except for a few women taking much lower dosages .