My IGF-Cycle Diary. . . .

[bigjonny]

Hey guys id said id post up my cycle which I started last friday. Although I have been criticised about my plans at such a young age (20), these following posts over the next year can be taken as you wish e.g. criticised, used for research, questions, experiences etc.
So pre-cycle I was 78kg, 5ft9, 8%bf.
Now 5 days later im up to 80kg and im thinking same bf although I will measure after 4 weeks.

My goal for the year is to finish post pct at a steady 86kg with no more than 8-10%bf. I find while on and off my weight will fluctuate a bit so realistically I will want to finish the year at about 88-90kg to allow for the slight post-cycle drop.

Now my igf cycle will consist of 4 weeks on 4 weeks off at 20mcgs per day for the period of a year. I will run ZMA throughtout the year. I will kickstart the igf cycle with some aas for the first 8 weeks and the last 8 weeks of the year.

Now I will lay out the initial 8 week aas cycle to accompany the igf.

Cycle 8wks;
IGF-1LR3 20mcgs ED (pwo) wks 1-4
Anadrol 50mgs ED wks 1-2,
Test E 250mgs EW wks 1-2,
Sust 250mgs x2 wk wks 3-8,(had to change as couldnt handle bp test e)
Tren E 200mgs EW wks 1-8,
Adex 0.25mcgs ED wks 1-6,
Nolva 20mgs ED wks 1-3.
PCT 8wks;
IGF-1LR3 20mcgs ED (pwo if poss) wks 3-7
HCG 1000/2000/3000iu E5Dwks 1-3,
Clomid 100/100/50/50/25 ED wks 3-8,
Nolva 40/40/20/20 ED wks 3-7,
Tribulus 500mgs ED wks 3-8,
Liver Tabs x 3-6 Ed wks 3-7.

[bigjonny]

So obviously the quick weight gain in the first week can be attributed to the anadrol. But anadrol would not do it alone so here is my similar but revised and hopefully improved diet plan. I have tried to add some extra anabolic foods at the right times as well as good fats and whole foods.

Diet;
07:00 500ml water. 07:20 1/2 hour jogging. 08:00 Breakfast shake:250ml milk, 250ml ice cream, 2 tbspoon peanut butter, 2 scoops whey, 2 bannanas, 200g oats. 500ml water. 11:00 wholemeal bread w/tuna, cheese, apple 500ml water. 1:30 300g pasta w/ sauce, chicken or beef, 500ml water. 4:00 (pre-workout) Steak, carrots, peas, potatoes, 500ml milk, 300ml water.(post-workout) 50g liquid carbs, 10g glutamine in 350ml water. 06:30 3 whole eggs (fried), 3 piece bacon(grilled), wholemeal toast, 500ml milk. 09:30 12 egg whites, 300ml water

Approx
Total Protein:400g
Total Carbs:750g
Total Fat:240g
Total water: 3L

Thanks for your time anyone who is checking this thread out.
Next up will be my training routine. I will then follow that up every friday with weekly progress reports.

[bigjonny]

Some of you guys will notice that I stole data's recipe for a bulk shake, but I couldnt resist and it tastes so good I wouldnt go a day without it.
Thanks for that one data, youre always full of good stuff!

Now back to the nitty-gritty, my workout and cardio program.

I will do low intensity cardio every day on an empty stomach for half an hour.

The workouts will be DC style ones and I hope to hit every muscle hard twice a week. I dont think that overtraining will be an issue as muscles never tend to be sore the next day for me. I also dont think my cardiovascular system will be overtaxed as I have trained rigourusly in all kinds of sports every day throughout my life from a young age.

1
Flat DB Bench Press 1(RP)x15,
Incline DB Bench Press 1(RP)x15,
Behind Neck Press 1(RP)x15,
Reverse Gip Bench Press 1(RP)x15
Rear Lat Pulldown 1(RP)x20
Deadlifts 1(RP)x20.

2
E-Z Bar Preacher Curls 1(RP)x20,
Hammer Curls 1(RP)x15,
DB Shrugs 1(RP)x20,
Standing Calf Raise 1(RP)x20,
Leg Extension 1(RP)x20,
Squat 1(RP)x20.

3
Boxing w/ab routine

4
Flat DB flyes 1(RP)x15,
Incline DB Flyes 1(RP)x15,
Military Press 1x(RP)x15,
Close Grip Bench Press 1(RP)x15,
Front Lat Pulldown 1(RP)x20,
Seated Row 1x20.

5
Dumbell Concentration Curl 1(RP)x20,
Wrist Curls 1(RP)x15,
Barbell Shrugs 1(RP)x20,
Seated Calf Raise 1(RP)x20,
Seated Leg Curl 1(RP)x20,
Leg Press 1x20

6
Boxing w/ab routine

7
Day Off

[guns]

these are just me personal opinions-

im not going to have a go mate, but at 20 how many previous cycles have you done?reason i ask is cos there is some harsh stuff in there in regards to drol and tren.

i guess you have already started but from my understanding i would run 4 weeks IGF, then start cycle.

pct for 8 weeks?

hcg does at 3000 is a a bit high, stick to less amounts more frequent if neccasery


diet-
i would swap the jogging for walking, but that is just my prefernce.
i think your total calories are way higher than what you need at that weight, you will get fat.200g fat and 750g carbs??
try separating your high gi carbs and your fats. no need for ice cream

[guns]

for more info on diet,check out LM's sticky!! i dont like that atall

[SamuelAdams]

Agreed. Your diet is off. Fine tune that and you should be okay.

[bigjonny]

guns, sam I had to add in the extra fats and carbs to combat quick metabolism. I will be sure to check out LM's page and will post a revised diet if needed. I actually adapted my diet from one of the more experienced guys here but thanks for the concern guys and I will continue to try to research, experiment and improve on my diet.

guns, I have done three cycles and have been doing steroid research 2 years now so I do know what to expect with both drol and tren. I am carrying both at a low dosage and I will finish the drol before the tren starts to ellicit its effects so as not to receive prolactin sides.

Thanks for the opinions guys!

[bigjonny]

Oh by the way with the pct I have noticed that my balls have not been the same size of late so I have decided to up the dosage of the HCG. I also read on another forum that HCG's effects diminish more as of each time you use it.
The reason for such a long pct, well, I like to be safe rather than sorry. Its not really that long though actually because I assume that most guys would run their clomid/nolva for 4 weeks after the hcg, rite, whereas I am doing 5.

[bigjonny]

Originally Posted by guns

these are just me personal opinions-

im not going to have a go mate, but at 20 how many previous cycles have you done?reason i ask is cos there is some harsh stuff in there in regards to drol and tren.

i guess you have already started but from my understanding i would run 4 weeks IGF, then start cycle.

pct for 8 weeks?

hcg does at 3000 is a a bit high, stick to less amounts more frequent if neccasery


diet-
i would swap the jogging for walking, but that is just my prefernce.
i think your total calories are way higher than what you need at that weight, you will get fat.200g fat and 750g carbs??
try separating your high gi carbs and your fats. no need for ice cream

LOL. When I posted my last diet people said I was eating to get lean. Now with the new diet you say I will get fat, damn! I just cant find the middle ground here, lol!

No, really I need the extra stuff as I am a hardgainer. I am trying to time the bad fats at the early part of the day with better ones in the evening. I dont think I will get fat with my rate of cardio and 2x 2 hour boxing sessions, but only time and pictures will truly tell

[guns]

i am a hard gainer.hard gainer or not, them fats plus them carbs will get you fat.muscle is muscle,fat is fat.you can be in a calorie surplus without going unneccaserily overboard.

i thought you said 8 weeks pct?5 weeks is fine.

as stated, hcg dose is to high, use at a lower dose more often.
hcg effectivness diminishes if it is used excessivly for long periods of time


why are your balls not right?how long ago was your last cycle?did you recover properly?


no need for bad fats incorporated into diet.fats should be aimed to be good, even in the morning.

[bigjonny]

Originally Posted by guns

i am a hard gainer.hard gainer or not, them fats plus them carbs will get you fat.muscle is muscle,fat is fat.you can be in a calorie surplus without going unneccaserily overboard.

i thought you said 8 weeks pct?5 weeks is fine.

as stated, hcg dose is to high, use at a lower dose more often.
hcg effectivness diminishes if it is used excessivly for long periods of time


why are your balls not right?how long ago was your last cycle?did you recover properly?


no need for bad fats incorporated into diet.fats should be aimed to be good, even in the morning.

Tecnically the pct totals 8 weeks but the clomid, nolva is only run for the last five.

I will now def lower the hcg dose as my source now stocks injectable vit E which will multiply the blood serum effects of hcg.
Also noting your point.

The strange thing is I recovered extremely well from my last cycle of
Test Cyp. 500-1000 EW (pyramid) x8wks and D-Bol 50mgs ED x 4wks.
The pct was much the same and I included clen for the last two weeks.

For the diet I am going to stick my to guns for this experiment for the first month anyway. I may adjust after if needed, actually I am going to drop the ice cream now but everything else stays.
Fell free to laugh and say I told ya so if I end up a fatass!
I will post pics, weight and bf every month.

Thanks again for the heads up guns!

[guns]

so what makes up the rest of the 8 weeks?
read swales pct protocol if you are interested in hcg.
i know vit -e helps during pct, but dont know enough to comment on it.
diet is your choice.if you are going to put pics up every month, be sure to put up before pics/measurments.

are you hitting everywhere with igf or just certain lacking areas?20mcg a side or total?

be interested to see how you get on

good luck

[bigjonny]

It really depends guns, I like to hit the smaller muscle groups eg. delts, bis 10mcg each side whereas I would just stick 20mcg on one side in the larger groups such as quads, glutes. I am hitting everywhere.

Will keep ya posted with progress!

[bigjonny]

Okay guys, week 1 is done today! Unfortunately I didnt take pre-cycle measurements so I guess I will have to use these first ones as my bench mark.

I started at 78kg
I now stand at 80.1kg, arms-14", chest-40", waist-32", upper legs- 23".
I will have bf% measurements after a month, I started at 8%.

I suppose 2.1kgs is a fair improvement after a week although it was expected by myself as I have had to walk instead of jog for my low-it cardio each morning throughout the week.

Diet has been great and ive stuck it all week without a cheat. I have been eating like a horse and do not feel any appetite surpression or side effects from the adrol. I think I want to save my cheat meal for moms sunday cooked breakfast! YUM

Now as for training the week was by no means great as I am trying to recouperate my recurring left shoulder injury which popped up again last week, and to add insult to that injury my right quad was paralized for a couple of days. The pain in the leg was cause by bp test e which I had a vial of and I said id use until my galenika gear came, im still waiting and must shoot the bp stuff again today. Anyway, to work around these difficulties I had to switch around my deadlift day from monday to thursday and skip the first monday leg session. I also had to sub out the bench flyes for the week as I find it too shoulder intensive for the area I have slightly injured; rotator cuff/ant delt. I also, as mentioned earlier, was unable to jog for most of the week with the pain, which was more restraining than painfull, if that makes any sense.

The workouts that I could do, however, went great! There was great intensity all week. For example, today I was leg pressing 140kgs which was a drop for me as I felt I had to allow for leg exaustion with a long set, I was wrong. I done the straight 20 set and finished the last rep with a 20 second hold and still felt like I could do another 5 reps.I will move it to 150 next week. I was slightly unhappy with my dumbell press though as I could only manage 33.5kgs on each dumbell before I felt my shoulder slightly playing up, that said I got up to 13 with first rp set and after the pause I went for another 7 eventhough I was meant to stop at 15, I held the last rep and finished with flying stars.

All in all I am happy with the way the week has gone but I do also realise that there is plenty left in the tank for me to improve and excell before I start switching excercises, if I were to guess id say I will change around a few excercises after the cycle is finished, but we will see.

The weeks major lifts;
DB Bench-1x15(RP) (2x 33.5kgs)
Deadlifts-1x20 (80kgs)
Seated Row-1x20 (60kgs)
Squats-1x20 (120kgs)
Leg Press-1x20 (140kgs)

I will be back next week with another progress report. If you think there is anything I should add please let me know!

[bigjonny]

Okay so week two is up and its time for an update a day late because I had a long ass post typed yesterday and lost it as I tried to submit, DAMN!

So basically week two went worse than week one. Main reson for this was that I was crippled for the better part of the week at the hands of BP' s test e. My leg had an extra bad reaction to the stuff this time round and I found my leg in pain, swollen and severely inflammated. I of course done an inject of 2ml which contained 1ml/250mg test e and 1ml/200mg tren e in the glute.
The areas worst affected was my glute, quad, ham and upper calf. I was unable to walk properly for most of the week.

Now down to the nitty-gritty of my results,

Last weeks weight was 80.1
I now stand at 80.2kg, arms-14.2", chest-40", waist-31.7", upper legs- 23".

Okay, I know! Not the most productive week but given the restraints that I had I thought that I would have lost weight. My leg left me unable to fend for myself and difficult to get around. I decided to skip the sunday and monday IGF injects because I was so sedentary and thought it would be pointless. I followed up on wednesday with two IGF injects in the upper and lower left leg. The pain began to subside on wednesday and I was able to hit the gym at home on thursday for my first upper body day, I still had to limp around my gym due to lack of flexibility but I was not distressed with pain.
I was able to see and improvement this day in my bench by 1.5kg each dumbell with not too much distress. My pwo IGF injects went into each delt.
On friday I managed the biceps, forearms and traps with each gaining a rep respectively. PWO injects into each bicep.

I had to keep the diet leaner this week so as not to put on extra subcataneous fat I done this by having skim-milk, no icecream and no whole eggs. I had no cheats this week.

All in all it was a hugely dissapointing week for me as I missed a huge portion of major lifts and done no cardio. I definately lost 3/4 of the week here.
I will never use a BP test again and would lean towards HG test in the future.
My galenika stuff was stopped by customs so I will have to make do with some organon sustanon due to arrive early next week.

Anyway thats it in summary and below you will see my lifts this week (or at least the ones I managed).


The weeks major lifts;
DB Bench-1x15(RP) (2x 35kgs)
Deadlifts-1x20 (80kgs) couldnt do this week
Seated Row-1x20 (60kgs) couldnt do this week
Squats-1x20 (120kgs) couldnt do this week
Leg Press-1x20 (140kgs) couldnt do this week

Once again I apprieciate any comments, questions or interest.

>bigjonny

[bigjonny]

Well week 3 is up and heres how it went,

Last weeks weight 80.2, arms-14.2", chest-40", waist-31.7", upper legs- 23".
I now stand at 80.2kg, arms-14.4", chest-40.3", waist-31.9", upper legs- 23".

So I started my training week on monday with the dumbell presses which I kept at the same weight and added 3 extra reps on each set flat, incline. Next was behind neck press which I done a stalemate on with no weight increase or even extra rep. I was extremely pleased with my reverse grip bech which went from 50kg to 60kg and also added 2 extra reps, I will definately improve on this next week moving up to 65 or 70 depending how I feel. For my lats I improved by 5kg on the rear lat pulldown and seated row respectively. PWO igf in each pec.
Dat two of training saw improvement by weight on my biceps and by 1 rep on the hammer curls and shrugs. PWO igf in each bi.
Third day in training was quite good while it lasted.
I started with the flyes which I havent done in a long time due to left rotator cuff issues. Didnt feel any major pain here and I enjoyed this excercise thoroughly, felt great pump and my chest swelled whilst in the gym. Military press followed and I got to 16 reps (RP) with 40kg. After I completed the warm-up for the cg bench diasaster struck as I felt a twing in my left wrist and decided to skip the close grip bench which was a bit too wrist involving for me (but what upper body excercise isnt right?). Anyway I decided to go for the front lat pulldown which saw a 5kg improvement and the seated row which stayed the same as earlier in the week. PWO igf each delt.

So thats basically it, the wrist problem I encountered is just a minor sprain and will keep me fromtraining my arms today but will hopefully be ok for next week. I am really starting to miss my deadlifts and squats and cant wait to get back at them, hopefully next week aswell. My calf is still just a little bit restricted which is holding me back. Oh just to let you know I have got back into my cardio sessions this week with a half an hour cycling every morning since wednesday, thank god! And since im not back at boxing yet I am still doing the ab routine we do with pwo injects followed into each ab. And finnally I have been shooting organon sust all week with no pain whatsoever,
hallaluja! Its in a different league than balkan.

The weeks major lifts;
DB Bench-1x15(RP) (2x 35kgs)+3 extra reps
Deadlifts-1x20(RP) (80kgs) couldnt do this week
Seated Row-1x20 (65kgs)
Squats-1x20(RP) (120kgs) couldnt do this week
Leg Press-1x20 (140kgs) couldnt do this week

[biglifter600]

Bigjonny, just a little advice. You allready have shoulder problems. Stop the behind the neck presses immediately. They tearup your shoulders. Do in front shoulder presses, they are so much better for you.