Thoughts on Guaiacol

[Teddy Ruxben]

Hey guys, Ive been plagued recently by insanely painful shots. And I dont have the balls to shoot any where but quads and glutes.

Im running Tren A. and Test P. both h***m*de.

Test P.

20% bb
2% ba
60/40 EO/Oil
100mg/ml

Tren A.

same as above, but 50/50 EO/Oil


The pain doesn't onset until beyond the 6-8 hour mark, so that definatly dismisses BA as the culprit. In my mind, it is either a reaction to the BB or to the hormone crashing as the solvents are leeched from the depot

Im getting curious about this guaiacol, but I don't know how safe it is to use.

Hopefully someone can shed some light, so I can bear to train legs again.

[Alchemy]

Why are you using EO ????

Tren a can be easily made to 100mg/ml with 2% BA and 10% BB

You could be allergic to BA , BB , EO or the tren a may be contaminated

Alc

[goof321]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ruxben

Hey guys, Ive been plagued recently by insanely painful shots. And I dont have the balls to shoot any where but quads and glutes.

Im running Tren A. and Test P. both h***m*de.

Test P.

20% bb
2% ba
60/40 EO/Oil
100mg/ml

Tren A.

same as above, but 50/50 EO/Oil


The pain doesn't onset until beyond the 6-8 hour mark, so that definatly dismisses BA as the culprit. In my mind, it is either a reaction to the BB or to the hormone crashing as the solvents are leeched from the depot

Im getting curious about this guaiacol, but I don't know how safe it is to use.

Hopefully someone can shed some light, so I can bear to train legs again.

what temp are you heating the mix up to? What temp do you filter at? What type of filter are you using? Is the gso food grade or usp grade?
A bit more specific info would help.
Guaiacol is NOT needed for tren or prop brews, even if you were to do a blend at 100/100mg/ml you still wouldnt need it.

[goof321]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

Why are you using EO ????

Tren a can be easily made to 100mg/ml with 2% BA and 10% BB

You could be allergic to BA , BB , EO or the tren a may be contaminated

Alc

Why not use EO?? You can shoot with a slin pin if you use EO.

[Teddy Ruxben]

Well its not the Tren A as it was obtained through a highly refined process.

As for the EO, I figured it wouldn't hurt. But perhaps using that extra bit of BB caused the problem.

If I were allergic, which I understand is pretty rare, what solvents would be used in their place?

Everything is filtered through a .2 whatman. And the temp is irrelevant, since the tempature necessary to insure sterility is far greater than that which would have detrimental affect to the hormone. It is simply heated until fully dissolved and then filtered while still warm

[goof321]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ruxben

Well its not the Tren A as it was obtained through a highly refined process.

As for the EO, I figured it wouldn't hurt. But perhaps using that extra bit of BB caused the problem.

If I were allergic, which I understand is pretty rare, what solvents would be used in their place?

Everything is filtered through a .2 whatman. And the temp is irrelevant, since the tempature necessary to insure sterility is far greater than that which would have detrimental affect to the hormone. It is simply heated until fully dissolved and then filtered while still warm

BB isnt the culprit of the pain, BA would be but with a 2% ratio that shouldnt sting at all especially with EO.
Could be injection tecnique.
ANd Proper Temp is relevant.
If proper temps are not reached (beyond 220) the hormone could crash inside muscle fibers upon injection and could be causing the discomfort as well, Due the solution not taking to the hormone as well as it should... in simple terms.

[Teddy Ruxben]

Originally Posted by goof321

BB isnt the culprit of the pain, BA would be but with a 2% ratio that shouldnt sting at all especially with EO.
Could be injection tecnique.
ANd Proper Temp is relevant.
If proper temps are not reached (beyond 220) the hormone could crash inside muscle fibers upon injection and could be causing the discomfort as well, Due the solution not taking to the hormone as well as it should... in simple terms.

Id love to see some proof about the temp.

[goof321]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ruxben

Id love to see some proof about the temp.

You want case studies.... cmon! Do the research yourself. But hey, your the one with painfull homebrew....not me.
You want answers as to why, Im giving you what I know will make painfree gear...

are u even utilizing a hot plate or are you still using your stove?
Seeing as your still using a syringe filter, i would say your process is a bit flawed in some way but hey.....you want proof?

[Teddy Ruxben]

no need to get craby asshole. But your right, i have no right asking you to validate your claims, since clearly you know everything and couldn't possibly have made a mistake.

All evidence I have seen seems to point to the fact that the necessity of heat, in this process, is only used as an expedient in the solvation process. If you can prove other wise, great. But until then I will continue with my assumption that this is solvent and hormone related, rather than a temperature issue.

Also, to quench your curiosity, a hotplate is utilized however only to speed the hormone into solution.

Mind you, it has been weeks since this was made and it has not crashed in the vial.

BTW, what is wrong with a syringe filter, Big Dog?

[P4D2A0]

bro, listen to goof. he's an experienced home brewer! he always teaches me things and give me good tips. i never go wrong

[goof321]

Crabby asshole...wow. Wonderful description of my personality!
You ask for advice or "thoughts"...I give them to you, then you knock logical reasoning...
Did I stoop to name calling...NO. Im not an internet tough guy.
Nor did I ever claim to "know everything"...I know what works to produce painless gear...
Through trial and error and research one finds what works best....
Not sure if you feel that the world is out to get you but chill out, take a xanax or a midol or something... no need to get all emotional.

[brundel2]

I have some homemade prop 100mg per ml
2%BA 18%BB. My roommate has been shooting of for months with no issues. I seem to get some swelling for a day or so after but nothing big. Another friend of mine gets softball sized knots at the injection site and is doubled over in pain.
Everyone reacts differently to prop as well as some solvents.

B

[Teddy Ruxben]

Originally Posted by goof321

Crabby asshole...wow. Wonderful description of my personality!
You ask for advice or "thoughts"...I give them to you, then you knock logical reasoning...
Did I stoop to name calling...NO. Im not an internet tough guy.
Nor did I ever claim to "know everything"...I know what works to produce painless gear...
Through trial and error and research one finds what works best....
Not sure if you feel that the world is out to get you but chill out, take a xanax or a midol or something... no need to get all emotional.

Fair enough, my apologies. It just seemed to me that you where using temp. as the end all be all, method for making painless gear. From where Im standing, I would consider myself a fairly scientific person, this just didn't seem to make any sort of logical sense.

Also, at the time, I could barely walk as both of my quads were infalmed. So that may have attributed to my harsh reaction abit, and again I apologize for coming off ungrateful.

Right now, Im going through a series of trials to try and narrow down the culprit.

Maybe Im over thinking it, but it is my understanding that the pain is either associated to the solvent or the hormone crashing from the depot, that is assuming the injection was performed properly. And as the solvents are leeched from the depot, the solubility ratio of the hormone to oil, diminishes rapidly. Resulting in the crystallization of the hormone within the muscle.

So it would seem that BB alone is not doing the trick. Perhaps it is too Hydrophilic, and is leeched from the muscle before the oil is metabolized. In which case a more hydrophobic solvent might resolve this issue. Of course this is pure speculation.

I do have another question, this time regarding EO. I have noticed that every time I mix it in oil, it never seems to fully incorporate. That is, it seems somewhat immiscible in oil, as I see "waves" of EO flowing through the oil. I don't know if this is a common occurrence with EO in oil or not, but I have noticed this with the product I am using.

[Teddy Ruxben]

Also, if you are adamant about this temp. thing. I will give it a go I guess. If I remember right you said 220 for how long?

How do you keep the BB from evaporating away?

[Samson]

Originally Posted by goof321

You want case studies.... cmon! Do the research yourself. But hey, your the one with painfull homebrew....not me.
You want answers as to why, Im giving you what I know will make painfree gear...

are u even utilizing a hot plate or are you still using your stove?
Seeing as your still using a syringe filter, i would say your process is a bit flawed in some way but hey.....you want proof?

Sorry for the rant. Just shot a shitload of suspension a few hours ago.

[Alchemy]

Originally Posted by goof321

Why not use EO?? You can shoot with a slin pin if you use EO.

Why the hell is everybody so concerned about injecting with a slin pin ?????

I just don't understand the obsession with EO.

Unless you are tyring to covert high dose AAS preparation EO or guaiacol is not required at all

Alc

[Teddy Ruxben]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

Why the hell is everybody so concerned about injecting with a slin pin ?????

I just don't understand the obsession with EO.

Unless you are tyring to covert high dose AAS preparation EO or guaiacol is not required at all

Alc

Personally, I am beginning to agree with this. EO and Me don't seem to agree with each other. And in the future I will only use guaiacol along with a small amount of EO for high dosed prop.

PS: I use 23 and 25's.

[Samson]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

Why the hell is everybody so concerned about injecting with a slin pin ?????

I just don't understand the obsession with EO.

Unless you are tyring to covert high dose AAS preparation EO or guaiacol is not required at all

Alc

I completely agree 100% and no I am not just parroting Alchemy. This has seemed to become an obssession lately over the past five years. Does it really matter? I guess it is a little nicer but who really cares. I understand for minor spot injections but a 23g 1 inch long needle would be just fine.

[goof321]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

Why the hell is everybody so concerned about injecting with a slin pin ?????

I just don't understand the obsession with EO.

Unless you are tyring to covert high dose AAS preparation EO or guaiacol is not required at all

Alc

If your injeccting 1.5g of Test from a combo of Prop and a Test Blend, 1.2g of EQ, 700mg NPP and 4ius of GH you run out of places to pin quite fast.
The slin pin method allows for trap injects, calf injects, hip injects...pretty much a whole slew of new places to pin that are easier to pin with a slin.

[goof321]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ruxben

Fair enough, my apologies. It just seemed to me that you where using temp. as the end all be all, method for making painless gear. From where Im standing, I would consider myself a fairly scientific person, this just didn't seem to make any sort of logical sense.

Also, at the time, I could barely walk as both of my quads were infalmed. So that may have attributed to my harsh reaction abit, and again I apologize for coming off ungrateful.

Right now, Im going through a series of trials to try and narrow down the culprit.

Maybe Im over thinking it, but it is my understanding that the pain is either associated to the solvent or the hormone crashing from the depot, that is assuming the injection was performed properly. And as the solvents are leeched from the depot, the solubility ratio of the hormone to oil, diminishes rapidly. Resulting in the crystallization of the hormone within the muscle.

So it would seem that BB alone is not doing the trick. Perhaps it is too Hydrophilic, and is leeched from the muscle before the oil is metabolized. In which case a more hydrophobic solvent might resolve this issue. Of course this is pure speculation.

I do have another question, this time regarding EO. I have noticed that every time I mix it in oil, it never seems to fully incorporate. That is, it seems somewhat immiscible in oil, as I see "waves" of EO flowing through the oil. I don't know if this is a common occurrence with EO in oil or not, but I have noticed this with the product I am using.