The DNP THREAD

[Blue Healer]

Originally Posted by Brando

Same BH,def was an interesting read though.

Good read & we need this info for people that want to try it so they are not throwing themselves in at the deep end, just not my cup of tea. I would rather just do it the hard way & maybe throw in some T3 at the end if I need it

[Summer]

Originally Posted by stanaman

What I should have said^^^^^

Can I just please ask people who read this thread not to get fired up and start contacting chemical companies trying to source this stuff.

You will draw attention to something which does not need any, and you have no chance of obtaining any (legally) anyway.

Usnic acid is easier to get from OS, and like DNP is an uncoupler. Unlike DNP, I think usnic acid is ok to import. Can someone confirm this please?

I think that people will go and try and source this stuff now and if it works for them more will do the same,then someone will go to far and take too much and hurt themselves.Its great to read about things even if we never do the things we read about, but theres alot out there, young men who want to look like the guys in the magazines that will do anything even being told not to.Its kinda like saying, that red button there dont push it lol

If other people watch this site wont they have the info as well, and put a note in there little books about watching chemical suppliers for this compound? or is it legal??

[Sledge]

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[Diggs]

Fair point Alchemy but this information in the wrong hands can be deadly. But also why would you want info just for the sake of info if you never intend on using a certain product. This stuff is dangerous!!! I still believe anyone wanting to be a real BB should do the hard yards and stop looking for easy ways out, that's not what BB is suppose to be about!! Not aimed at you by the way mate, I know your work ethic!!!

Diggs

Originally Posted by Alchemy

Diggs,
that its true , but you should remember that knowledge is power

AB

[DDD]

Have used it. First time went to 900mg/wk (worked my way up to that dosage) Ran DNP for a total of 10wks. How was it? Every day was a living hell! It sapped everything in your body and mind. I needed to have heaps of supps each day and if I missed any, then by 3pm I'd almost be losing it bad. This is not a drug to be played around with without research and plenty of it. Understand the drug and its interactions in your body.

Does it work? Most surely! But to be honest you will get a better result with cardio, diet etc. The body seems to really flatten out on DNP, even when stopped short of contest date. Low dose is a better option but research first.

[sanctum2k]

Originally Posted by Diggs

What's wrong with dieting hard and cardio. I'm seeing too many people relying on drugs these days to do the work rather than busting their balls, and it shows in their physiques!!!

Agreed, but sadly, that's not always that effective for older men.

[btn2102]

DDD how are you doing hope all is working out ok

[stanaman]

Originally Posted by Diggs

Fair point Alchemy but this information in the wrong hands can be deadly. But also why would you want info just for the sake of info if you never intend on using a certain product. This stuff is dangerous!!! I still believe anyone wanting to be a real BB should do the hard yards and stop looking for easy ways out, that's not what BB is suppose to be about!! Not aimed at you by the way mate, I know your work ethic!!!

Diggs

Nice post Diggs. Learn how to diet down the hard way first. This is not a compound for guys who want to get "beach abs". It is something to be used by highly experienced bodybuilders and athletes only.

[stanaman]

Originally Posted by Summer

If other people watch this site wont they have the info as well, and put a note in there little books about watching chemical suppliers for this compound? or is it legal??

It isn't illegal, if that makes sense. But the more we talk about it on here, and the more people who start ringing chem supply companies trying to source it, no doubt the authorities will regulate it much more tightly.

I'll just repeat what i said earlier:

Unless you have the right chemical permit, a purchasing history with the company, an ABN and can sign an EUD justifying your purchase, YOU HAVE NO CHANCE GETTING THIS STUFF SO DON'T TRY.

P.S DNP is not used in Australia as a pesticide, wood preservative or a dye.

[stanaman]

Originally Posted by sjfou

Usnic acid is an element is species nutritions fat burner lipolyze

Thanks for the info. Guys, here is a legal product readily available.

[Sledge]

http://speciesnutrition.com.au/

[sanctum2k]

Not bad if you have a lazy 100 bucks to splash around..... I'm mindful of hype though.

[MrAust92]

Personally, I would just plonk my fat arse on the treadmill and work up a sweat......................

[Alchemy]

Originally Posted by Diggs

Fair point Alchemy but this information in the wrong hands can be deadly. But also why would you want info just for the sake of info if you never intend on using a certain product. This stuff is dangerous!!! I still believe anyone wanting to be a real BB should do the hard yards and stop looking for easy ways out, that's not what BB is suppose to be about!! Not aimed at you by the way mate, I know your work ethic!!!

Diggs

Diggs ,

Thats is a fair call.But remember that any compound in the hands of an uneducated individual is dangerous.

Part of the reason why I joined this board was to acquire greater knowledge about training , nutrition and chemical supplementation.

Don't get me wrong , there is always someone looking for an easily solution to either losing fat or putting on lean muscle and unless you are a genetic freak , it just will not happen without hard work and discipline.

And yes there will be some dick head that will ring the chemical companies and making an inquiring about the purchase of DNP.

Due to my educational back ground I have always and will always strive to learn more about health and science related topic.

AB

[Luca Brasi]

If any of you were on elitefitness back in the old days ( maybe 7 years back or so), you might remember my detailed posts of my 2 dnp cycles at 200 and 300 a day . Had info on diet while on , other supps , scientific type info , and my detailed posts about the my hospital visit the first time around as well . Had lots of detailed info on all facets of dnp use . Should still be on there under this username if anyone has access over there these days .
Will post it all on it here if any wants me to try to recall it all . I dont have access to that board since it went to a pay site .

Luca

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by sjfou

POSTED BY A WELL KNOWN DNP EXPERT
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HISTORY:

DNP stands for 2,4-dinitrophenol. This is a chemical that was once used in the early 20th century to ignite dynamite and cast a yellow dye on wood and other handcrafts. A few years later demographical statistics showed that employees who worked with DNP everyday tended to lose weight, often rapidly. One fall out from this was a study conducted by Stanford University in 1920 showing that the ingestion of DNP does in fact cause weight loss. This prompted physicians to prescribe DNP to obese patients of that era. DNP was on the market for 2 decades as a weight loss drug and was eventually taken off the market and banned for human consumption by the FDA because there was a report of cataract formation among female users of this drug which turned out to be false. This chemical is still deemed too dangerous by the FDA to allow it to come back to the pharmaceutical marketplace. Over the decades of research on DNP, scientists have never shown it to have the ability to cause cancer or any other mutations despite the fact that it’s a phenol and that most phenolic compounds are carcinogenic. DNP is now only used as a research chemical and as a pesticide in a few states that still approve of its use. It is not illegal to own DNP, but it is illegal to market it for personal consumption.

Hey guys. Take what you read in all these guides with a grain of salt. A lot of the information is incorrect. For example, look at just the first paragraph of this guide, where I've found something false on almost every line:

1) DNP was not used in the early 20th century to "ignite dynamite." First, DNP wasn't used as an ignitor. Iit was used in synergistic mixtures with trinitrophenol and TNT. The French are the most well known for using DNP for this purpose. They commonly used mixtures of 40% DNP and 60% TNP. Second, these explosives had nothing to do with dynamite. They were TNT based, and in the case of the French, even this aspect was lacking.
2) DNP was not used to cast a yellow dye on wood and other handcrafts. Someone got sloppy here. DNP has been used in the production of dyes. It's also been used as a wood preservative. It hasn't been used as a wood dye for making handcrafts look cute.
3) It was not based on "demographical statistics" that French munitions workers lost weight and had DNP side effects. This was readily observed right in the factory, where a protection plan was put into place. I don't think anyone has ever done "demographical statistics" on DNP users.
4) The research at Stanford was not in the 1920's. It began in the 1930's with Cutting and Tainter.
5) DNP was on the market for only 4 or 5 years, not two decades.
6) Sales didn't stop because it was banned by the FDA. The FDA started putting pressure on manufacturers who then voluntarily withdrew it.
7) There was not "a report" of cataract formation, there were well over 100, including a few in males.
8) The reports of cataracts were very TRUE. It is a side effect that occured in approximately 0.1% of the population. This was the main reason the drug was discontinued. The mechanism of action behind the cataract formation was elucidated a few decades later.
9) DNP is no longer used as a pesticide.

And then the article is full of stupid myths like crystal DNP is stronger than powder, or that DNP produces a great deal of oxidative stress, etc. This guy is clearly no "DNP expert". In his starting paragraph alone, he completely discredits himself.

[sjfou]

Interesting.... Conciliator - would you / have you used DNP?

[sjfou]

author has a vested interest, but heres usnic acid article from 2004:
http://www.functionalingredientsmag....trSite=FFNSite

and one on usnea (another name for usnic acid):
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/usnea.htm

Lyle Mcdonalds thoughts on dnp & usnic acid:
http://www.wannabebig.com/article.ph...id=87&pageid=4

NY Times article on a chick who apparently lost her liver to usnic acid:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A9659C8B63

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by sjfou

Interesting.... Conciliator - would you / have you used DNP?

Yeah, I have. I got started in all this when I began logging my first DNP cycle. Lyle McDonald sent me a recent paper that talked about the history of treatments for obesity. It included a paragraph or two on DNP, so I printed it out and went to my university library to look up some of the oldest references. Fortunately, my library has an extensive periodicals section including these old volumes of JAMA. I began browsing some of the original studies and was surprised at what I found. They had studies looking at DNP with different diets, showing that they worked equally well. They explained that powder DNP was stronger than crystal, and not vice versa. They explained how much a particular dose of DNP would increase metabolic rate. They explained that weight loss appeared to be solely from fat stores. As I'd stop by the library and read these, I'd post about them in my log, which quickly became a hit. I had information in it that seemingly no one else on the net had ever heard before. I was reading studies that I've never seen referenced in any DNP guide. With research into some of the recent studies, I found even more interesting things, like how DNP decreases mitochondrial free radical production, contrary to rumor.

Fast forward a year later. I'm having lunch with Lyle McDonald and towards the end of the meal he says, "You know, you really should write a book on DNP." I said "yeah, I was thinking of writing a users guide, all of them out there are pretty bad." And he said, "no, you need to write an actual book. You know more about DNP that anyone else and people will pay for you to spend the time to get everything you know down on paper." We then talked about the practical considerations of printing books as he sells many of his own.

When I got back from lunch, I began writing an outline. Within a few hours, I had 17 chapters outlined and an incredible amount of information to cover. I realized that there was indeed enough to write a book on. I then spent a few weeks just photocopying all of the original research and downloading and reading over 100 papers on things like AMPK, cataracts, and other aspects of DNP.

Since then, I started work on the book, but I stopped writing about a year ago. It's far from completed, but I'd like to get back to work on it some day. The completed book intends to be a magnum opus on dieting with DNP. It will cover every aspect of the drug that you could imagine and will be directed specifically to those who are using it for dieting.

DNP is what I specialize in and what I enjoy talking about. There's a lot of misinformation about DNP, so I try to set things straight and help people understand how to use it when I have an opportunity.

That's a little (or a lot) about me. I'm glad to be here.

-Conciliator